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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

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WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:39

Everlore · 09/11/2025 12:34

For what feels like the millionth time, PIP is a non means tested benefit. One can receive it while being in full time and even highly paid employment. Some of us are, shockingly, simultaneously both lazy disabled benefits scroungers and tax payers!
I don't even have the energy to get into the details of how a PIP claimant gives up their mobility component, which they would be receiving if not buying a Motibility car, to pay for their vehicle so it isn't costing the sainted tax payers any more money. Perhaps someone else can be bothered rehashing this same old argument, it's starting to feel like banging my head against a brick wall when ignorant posters keep rehashing the same tired old myths about PIP every single day.

What is the relevance of this. Millions on benefits and over 1000 people a day going onto PIP tells you that this is an absolute joke.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:38

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:36

The benefits don’t grow on a tree, where they go out in the morning and harvest the £ notes because they inherited the three in their backyard.

That is taxpayer funding. And enough funding to buy new cars. More than the majority of non benefit claiming people in work can afford.

Lie. They're not buying the cars, they are leased.

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:38

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:32

Rather than guessing what people think, let’s just accept the facts. These cars are taxpayer funded.

and those who get the mobility element of PIP (or DLA for their child) will get that money even if they decide against a car for whatever reason.

redange · 09/11/2025 12:38

Yeah propping up the country and peoples jobs !

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:38

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:34

The public should also be aware that by cutting the Motabilty scheme there are likely to be major consequences, to the British Car Industry . This if you consider the industry is propped up by the fact 25% of all new car sales come from Motabilty .

Woah is that true? So taxpayers are propping up the car companies too. Madness.

Yes, that’s correct.

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:37

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:22

Lie. Motability cars are taxpayer funded. Almost one in 4 new cars are taxpayers buying cars for people who don’t work.

Access to Motability has nothing to do with employment status. My DH used a Motability car for 20 years to get to work, because public transport was and remains mostly inaccessible to him.

If the Motability scheme was scrapped tomorrow, it would save not a penny. But it would impact the motor industry and the financial contribution Motabilty makes to the Treasury and wider economy. Not to mention the tax contribution from working disabled people.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:37

Everlore · 09/11/2025 12:34

For what feels like the millionth time, PIP is a non means tested benefit. One can receive it while being in full time and even highly paid employment. Some of us are, shockingly, simultaneously both lazy disabled benefits scroungers and tax payers!
I don't even have the energy to get into the details of how a PIP claimant gives up their mobility component, which they would be receiving if not buying a Motibility car, to pay for their vehicle so it isn't costing the sainted tax payers any more money. Perhaps someone else can be bothered rehashing this same old argument, it's starting to feel like banging my head against a brick wall when ignorant posters keep rehashing the same tired old myths about PIP every single day.

Exactly!

But apparently I'm a liar 🤷🏻‍♀️

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:36

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:36

No idea, not seen those reports, and I have zero interest in what cars are on the Motabilty scheme.

Yes, I can link if you need, but as you are not interested, I will leave it.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:36

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:28

It's not a lie.

They fund them themselves through the portion of PIP that is awarded for that. So, out of their benefits.

But, regardless of that, what do you have against them? Do you think disabled people should be confined to their houses?

The benefits don’t grow on a tree, where they go out in the morning and harvest the £ notes because they inherited the three in their backyard.

That is taxpayer funding. And enough funding to buy new cars. More than the majority of non benefit claiming people in work can afford.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:36

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:34

@Polaris81 you replied to my post with comments not relevant to my post. I asked you to explain what you meant in context to my post twice now. I can't comment until you explain yourself.

Ok, in which case, perhaps you and I can focus on other posters.

All the best.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:36

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:29

Out of curiosity, why is Reeves removing BMW’s and Mercedes from the motability fleet?

As has been reported.

No idea, not seen those reports, and I have zero interest in what cars are on the Motabilty scheme.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:34

The public should also be aware that by cutting the Motabilty scheme there are likely to be major consequences, to the British Car Industry . This if you consider the industry is propped up by the fact 25% of all new car sales come from Motabilty .

Woah is that true? So taxpayers are propping up the car companies too. Madness.

Legolava · 09/11/2025 12:34

@EastGrinstead You don’t understand what a bot is. Who knew? Tax payers are fed up of funding people to sit on welfare or do the absolute bare minimum. Over 50% of people are now state reliant.

The polls show quite clearly that Labour are very poorly regarded. The only place they are popular is on MN where the majority benefit from state largesse. Either through welfare or the public sector.

People who are unhappy with the government and the kite flying are in the overwhelming majority in the real world. Labour supporters on MN cannot compute this so shout bot because they don’t know what else to say. Let’s not forget the full house of: far right and must be a Reform supporter.

Everlore · 09/11/2025 12:34

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:22

Lie. Motability cars are taxpayer funded. Almost one in 4 new cars are taxpayers buying cars for people who don’t work.

For what feels like the millionth time, PIP is a non means tested benefit. One can receive it while being in full time and even highly paid employment. Some of us are, shockingly, simultaneously both lazy disabled benefits scroungers and tax payers!
I don't even have the energy to get into the details of how a PIP claimant gives up their mobility component, which they would be receiving if not buying a Motibility car, to pay for their vehicle so it isn't costing the sainted tax payers any more money. Perhaps someone else can be bothered rehashing this same old argument, it's starting to feel like banging my head against a brick wall when ignorant posters keep rehashing the same tired old myths about PIP every single day.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:34

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:20

Ah that would explain the recent thread where RR was apparently planning on stopping people from overpaying into pensions to avoid income tax cliff edges.

I don't know what you're talking about. But you can't "overpay" into a pension. You can pay up to a certain amount with tax relief, anything more than that and the money is taxed as normal. The cap is £60k pa, or your earnings, whichever is lower.

So, I'm not sure what you're referring to.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:34

@Polaris81 you replied to my post with comments not relevant to my post. I asked you to explain what you meant in context to my post twice now. I can't comment until you explain yourself.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:34

plumclafoutis · 09/11/2025 12:28

I think it is you that is doing the gaslighting.

Is that the best you’ve got. How enlightening.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 12:33

BMW6 · 09/11/2025 12:22

So you just want a Government who encourage self reliance and personal responsibility for their own lives?

Sounds a vote winner to me - Welfare for those who cannot support themselves, for genuine reasons, not the work shy and grifters.

Yes, but also that supports people get out of a hole, even if self created.

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WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:32

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:31

pp is probably talking about the advance payment which isn't funded by taxpayers.

Probably just a misunderstanding, no different to you saying that those with motability cars don't work.

Rather than guessing what people think, let’s just accept the facts. These cars are taxpayer funded.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:32

redange · 09/11/2025 12:28

There is an awful lack of understanding across the public and media, how the Motabilty scheme actually works.
I understand there are some issues mostly regarding 'perceptions' of what someone can claim Motabilty for. The public and some in the media do not consider how difficult it is to get 12 points on that part of the PIP process.

The public should also be aware that by cutting the Motabilty scheme there are likely to be major consequences, to the British Car Industry . This if you consider the industry is propped up by the fact 25% of all new car sales come from Motabilty .

I think also what annoys many people is the perception that people are driving cars that are not affordable to them. They miss two important factors here firstly the top end cars on Motabilty always require a significant payment from the individual. Secondly the car company concerned make them available because they cannot sell that model in a normal market !

Sorry but this word salad doesn’t take anything away from the fact that those paying for other people to have these new (mostly foreign manufactured cars - oh the irony), cannot afford them for themselves. It’s like a protection racket or a mafia. And this is how welfare loses public support.

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:31

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:27

And none of them, working or not, are buying these cars without taxpayer funding. A lie is a lie, whichever way you dress it up.

pp is probably talking about the advance payment which isn't funded by taxpayers.

Probably just a misunderstanding, no different to you saying that those with motability cars don't work.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:30

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:28

@Polaris81 For one we have huge intergenerational inequality in this country largely because of housing costs, how are you putting that down to unequal inputs?

Do you accept any element of what I have posted?

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:30

@Polaris81 can you also expand on why wage stagnation is because of unequal input?

JacknDiane · 09/11/2025 12:29

Interesting thread

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:29

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:01

Why do you have a problem with notability cars? You know people who have them fund them themselves, right?

Out of curiosity, why is Reeves removing BMW’s and Mercedes from the motability fleet?

As has been reported.

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