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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

OP posts:
bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:48

@WildLimePoet so who do you hope will cut it down to size?

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 12:48

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:46

The difference between our model and theirs is in their countries (I’m thinking Scandinavia) they tax those with low incomes far more heavily.

@Woodlend this is true & middle incomes. The issue we have is housing costs, they are more proportional in other countries so people can pay more tax.

Housing costs in this country are such a massive issue. Causes:

intergenerational resentment
Low birth rate
Depression in young people
People living with their parents well into their 20s - failing to start adult life.

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:48

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:43

Huh?

She hasn't put forward any economic theory, I didn't suggest she had done.

So why suggest she read a book on economics?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:47

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:46

I'm not trying to justify anything, and I don't have to.

I said what I said, which is that people pay for mobility cars. You've been shown by several posters how that works, but you've insisted I was lying.

Saying that these cars are self funded rather than taxpayer funded is a lie.

Frumpitydoo · 09/11/2025 12:47

They want us all skint, communist New World Order slave race. Wake the fuck up. The conspiracies are playing out in front of you.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:46

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:46

The Tories had years to make changes to Motability. Why didn't they?

Any Tories on this thread? Can you please answer this poster?

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:46

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:29

Out of curiosity, why is Reeves removing BMW’s and Mercedes from the motability fleet?

As has been reported.

To appease the spiteful? Even if she does this, it will save no money. People will just lease a different car.

I think people really need to educate themselves about the scheme instead of swallowing the misinformation whole.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:46

The difference between our model and theirs is in their countries (I’m thinking Scandinavia) they tax those with low incomes far more heavily.

@Woodlend this is true & middle incomes. The issue we have is housing costs, they are more proportional in other countries so people can pay more tax.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:46

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:40

Yes, it’s called buying the lease. You’re really reaching now because you can’t justify the madness of waste. People are not going to accept this craziness much longer.

I'm not trying to justify anything, and I don't have to.

I said what I said, which is that people pay for mobility cars. You've been shown by several posters how that works, but you've insisted I was lying.

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:46

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:44

Yeah, how sad. That the colossal waste and largesse of the system has been allowed to go on for so long. Hopefully it’ll be cut down to size soon. When Labour are voted out of office and into oblivion.

The Tories had years to make changes to Motability. Why didn't they?

Pluto46 · 09/11/2025 12:46

Legolava · 09/11/2025 12:34

@EastGrinstead You don’t understand what a bot is. Who knew? Tax payers are fed up of funding people to sit on welfare or do the absolute bare minimum. Over 50% of people are now state reliant.

The polls show quite clearly that Labour are very poorly regarded. The only place they are popular is on MN where the majority benefit from state largesse. Either through welfare or the public sector.

People who are unhappy with the government and the kite flying are in the overwhelming majority in the real world. Labour supporters on MN cannot compute this so shout bot because they don’t know what else to say. Let’s not forget the full house of: far right and must be a Reform supporter.

Edited

Not quite a full house as you omitted concern about illegal immigration equals racist!

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:45

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

@WildLimePoet who is going to be in charge after labour and what will they be cutting?

Hang on, let me check my crystal ball….back in a jiffy…..

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

@WildLimePoet who is going to be in charge after labour and what will they be cutting?

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

And this is how welfare loses public support.

I agree with this point, welfare is losing support. Plenty of net recipients will be anti welfare too...

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:44

Locutus2000 · 09/11/2025 12:41

What a sad thread. Getting what you wanted OP?

Yeah, how sad. That the colossal waste and largesse of the system has been allowed to go on for so long. Hopefully it’ll be cut down to size soon. When Labour are voted out of office and into oblivion.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:43

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 12:40

Nothing like that has been officially announced, it is under consideration, looked at as an option.

So, let’s allocate a 50/50 probability to it.

Premised on which, it is definitely worthy of mention.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:43

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:14

What economic theory is the op getting wrong in your view?

Huh?

She hasn't put forward any economic theory, I didn't suggest she had done.

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 12:43

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:26

I’m happy to look at that as a model.

We are becoming a high taxation country alongside expensive food, expensive utilities, expensive transportation and expensive housing. This runs alongside failing infrastructure and a lack of law and order so people feel unsafe. No one voted for this ever.

The difference between our model and theirs is in their countries (I’m thinking Scandinavia) they tax those with low incomes far more heavily. If Rachel Reeves says she’s doing away with the nil rate band and whacking 10% on the basic rate of tax then they’d be uproar.

People want Scandinavian public services without having to pay for them.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:42

MNLurker1345 · 09/11/2025 12:39

@plumclafoutis, did you read my later post?

She gets pension credits, attendance allowance and WFA. She is not rich, of course, but she lives comfortably. No she cannot go on holidays as a PP said about her mother, but she can now live within her means. Also, I forgot to say full Council tax benefit.

oh what a tragedy. Someone who hasn’t worked and paid enough taxes all their life, only gets to live for free in comfort, but doesn’t get free holidays on top. What is the world coming to. Disgusting.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:41

@Polaris81 so you can't explain then 👍🏼

Locutus2000 · 09/11/2025 12:41

What a sad thread. Getting what you wanted OP?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:40

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:38

Lie. They're not buying the cars, they are leased.

Yes, it’s called buying the lease. You’re really reaching now because you can’t justify the madness of waste. People are not going to accept this craziness much longer.

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 12:40

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:36

Yes, I can link if you need, but as you are not interested, I will leave it.

Nothing like that has been officially announced, it is under consideration, looked at as an option.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:39

Over 50% of people are now stage reliant.

But this has been the trend since the 70s and is increasing due to wage stagnation, high housing costs & an ageing population.

85% of pensioners are net recipients which isn't unsurprising.

The figure includes the costs of schooling, NHS costs etc

MNLurker1345 · 09/11/2025 12:39

@plumclafoutis, did you read my later post?

She gets pension credits, attendance allowance and WFA. She is not rich, of course, but she lives comfortably. No she cannot go on holidays as a PP said about her mother, but she can now live within her means. Also, I forgot to say full Council tax benefit.

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