Fuck it - the government will look me

For all benefits or just certain ones?

And people spend PIP money entirely on therapy and disability goods anyway so it shouldn’t be an issue.

Yes, you have started to understand my point.

People have a choice what they spend their benefits on. Some choose the car scheme. For some reason you don't like that. But you agree it would be fine if they spent it all on gin.

What you're really saying is that you think the lives of disabled people should be restricted and they should not be able to live as good a life as, say, you. It's simple envy.

@Woodlend I think vouchers would offset a lot of the negative perception.

Is that the best you’ve got? Come on, do better. There’s always chat GPT if you’re struggling.

Personally I’d love to see a move to vouchers instead of cash payments to ensure the money is being spent appropriately but recipients would be up in arms!

So then, do you think people should be allowed to spend their benefits as they see fit? Or are you only concerned about how disabled people spend their benefits?

i don’t think most people have a clue what living in Scandinavia is like. I would assume most have never even visited. What people in England don’t want is what we’ve got currently and what they definitely don’t want is to pay more for what we have currently as it deteriorates further.

So, if they didn't buy this tax payer funded car with the child benefit, they could spend all the child benefit on cocaine, and you'd be OK with that? As long as they don't choose to spend it on a car?

Finally we agree. Funded by taxpayers. Thanks.

I drive a Mercedes as a motability car because it's a WAV and means that my son, his wheelchair and everything else he needs can be transported safely.

As long as suitable WAV's are available I really don't care what make it is but I certainly didn't pick it based on luxury.

I wish we didn't need it because I wish my son wasn't disabled.

Yes. Unless this said child benefit, is not the type paid into people’s bank accounts taken from taxes or government borrowing in the name of taxpayers and their future productivity. And you have discovered some other kind of child benefit.

Last time I checked all benefits are funded by the taxpayer, or through government borrowing or wuantative easing done in the name of the taxpayer funded- specifically net contributing ones.

It’s basic fiscal reality and math really. No intellectual contortionism required.

They fund them themselves. That's what I said, and it's right.

Yes, maybe out of some benefits. But, if they didn't fund the car, they could spend those benefits on gin. And in many cases, the car enables them to get to work!

Well, that’s patently absurd.

I don’t subscribe to removal of the scheme - I do like to understand the veracity of some who claim the scheme is being abused though.

90 percent of our lives isnt down to our own choices though. There is very little you can actually control.
Where you were born
Your parents
Your family
Your school
Your teachers
Your education methods and curriculum
Your IQ
Your looks
Many aspects of your health
Your tax contributions
Youth facilities in your area when growing up
Actions of your friends and family
The company you work for making redundancies
War and famine affecting global markets
House prices
Availability of food
The cost of living
Government spending and changing tax policies
The global crisis in human migration
What time the sun rises and sets
Gravity and physics
Train timetables
Global economic crashes
Food conglomorates

I think there is very little you can control by choice. You can try and make the best choices that you can make, and also influence collectively to push for changes you would like to see.
However, someone who id affected greatly by all or any of the above will not be able to make choices alone that can improve their circumstances. Even with support, their mental state may be too damaged by the issues to make rational and informed decisions. Choices about your future are hard or impossible to make if you are spending the whole day hungry, abused and unloved.

That’s my point.

Why do you say that?

So that she can develop some thoughts using economic theory, maybe? She asked for suggestions. I didn't suggest a particular one, or particular theory.

Oh, I am not anti-motability - far from it.

I do find some of these threads informative, particularly when it comes to suggestions that the scheme is being abused etc.

@Woodlend it's a huge problem and impacts our productivity but not sure how you fix it now.

I have a question. If a person used their child benefit to lease a car, would that mean their car is tax payer funded? Yes or no?

It would stop people frothing about people driving a Mercedes as their mobility car.

Lee Anderson would like to bring back the blue 3 wheeler.

They pay for the cars - with money they got from the taxpayer. So not self funded at sll
then.

OP, I am a Labour voter. I agree that people need to make the best of what is given to them and I've tried to do that in my life.

90% of what happens to us isn't caused by choice though. The effects of inequality is evident from a very early age for one thing.

I didn't moan on and on when we had a Conservative government, I just got on with things and made the best of it. If you genuinely can't manage that, maybe you should move abroad as you say you're thinking of doing (have fun in the UAE, which apparently needs an endless supply of expats). Or maybe do what you say- stop working hard and stop paying into your pension.

In my city, there are disabled single mothers who end up with their kids in pretty naff temporary accommodation for years and years. If they were childless men they'd be in a hostel or night shelter, so I guess they're lucky in that sense. There are single people on the state pension living in house shares.

But that probably won't happen to you- you'll make all the right choices on the benefits form and all the magical riches you think these people get will become yours.