Fuck it - the government will look me

@Legolava but lots of workers are reliant on welfare eg housing, childcare, education, healthcare

Workers in general, even if not net contributors are turning heavily against the welfare bill right now. You only need to look at opinion polls and other publications outside of the MN state largesse echo chamber .

I agree people are unhappy but I am confused as to what it is they want tbh. I'm a worker who is a net contributor but I do believe in welfare.

I don’t know what you’re trying to get at. Your original point was that you simply did not accept that anyone else can intervene and cut state largesse, and that those claiming other peoples money as their own have nothing to worry about. Your wrong.

And as for IMF bailout. Rachel from Accounts is making Dennis Healey look like a raging success right now. It’s beyond delusional to think that that IMF bailout is not on the cards.

I will pay £50 to the charity of your choice if there is an IMF bail out. Deal?

@WildLimePoet I asked what you classed as a significant increase? We aren't near an IMF bailout as I said.

@Swiftie1878 which bit are you disagreeing with?

fullfact.org/economy/are-half-british-households-burden-state/

This is from 2012 & references education & healthcare, funnily enough no one seems particularly bothered about net recipients back then!

Again, let me consult my IMF distressed economy bailout calculator to answer that question…..

You or I don’t get to tell the IMF what conditions they impose when our debt to GDP ratio keeps soaring above 100% and our gilt yields keep getting higher, and the tax take keeps reducing because the number of net contributors is reducing.

I was a FSM kid in the 80s (before universal FSM). I had to line up in the FSM line and we went in last so had the “left overs”. It’s left me with long life shame of my roots.

Despite my experience I still feel we need to find a way to navigate the benefits trap. My family claimed benefits and they paid for my parent’s alcohol. To claim these families don’t exist is disingenuous.

People who voted Labour only have themselves to blame for the public sentiment and if I were reliant on the state, I’d be worried. We don’t have the money to pay the exponentially rising welfare bill. The net contributors are already changing behaviour and are heavily taxed compared to other western counterparts.

Working people are fed up with having seemingly everything taken and taxed at every turn whilst Labour go out of their way to expand the public sector and the welfare bill.

Workers in general, even if not net contributors are turning heavily against the welfare bill right now. You only need to look at opinion polls and other publications outside of the MN state largesse echo chamber .

When they start messing with those funding the bill and nothing is done to address it. You’re all going to have an issue. Taxes are reliant on people being productive, they’ve already hit tipping point with that. Let’s not even get on to their ridiculous definition of a worker. However Labour supporters swallow it whole. There is no comparison between money you earned yourself and that provided to you by the state. The latter can be taken away and the you are at the mercy of the productivity of those funding it.

I’d be expecting people’s opinions on this to get even more divisive after the budget. You only have yourselves to blame. Labour are literally doing the divide and conquer politics all by themselves.

How much of an outlier are we on this?

Others have time limited and contribution based benefits.

Wondering if we’re the only ones with the system we have

Don't worry, I understand your point. I just don't agree with it.

They think they're immune. So did I, that worked out well for me 🤣

They could force the pension age to be raised significantly. And yes, they can and will cut benefits.

@WildLimePoet what would you class as a significant increase? It's already 68! We are nowhere near an IMF bailout.

A very real possibility and one that will cause serious civil unrest I think. M already seeing security lids on Red Bull cans and had to explain why to my kids. My youngest asked if food would end up behind glass cases in the end. Lovely. What a conversation to have had yesterday whilst in the Co-OP.

Not, it doesn’t. That’s just tax paid vs state benefits received.

think it’s the sheer quantity of disabled people, currently only to be surpassed by the generations below.

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast

When the pension age increases more working age people fall into the disabled/ill category as we haven't seen any improvement in healthy life expectancy. Covid has likely made it worse.

100%. In many countries seen as ‘progressive’ you get piss all if you’ve never worked. Great benefits are reserved for those with a working history. That’s how they fund excellent public services - by ensuring those too lazy to work get so little that they’re forced to rethink their plans.

Lee Anderson has created his own character, just says stupid things because he has a desire to be noticed !

It never takes long before the sanctimonious know nothings come out to spout

Displaying zero understanding that poverty, disability and disease can strike anyone.

You know what else some people fail to understand?

Disability doesn't discriminate and can happen to anyone or their child at any time.

No one thinks it will happen to them or their child until it does.

They could force the pension age to be raised significantly. And yes, they can and will cut benefits.

Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

The IMF are not going to come along and stop paying pensions...

You can use your Vouchers at the 'company store' . Is that what happened to the Mill Workers in 1841 !

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast I completely understand why people are pissed, Im pissed. I perplexed as to why people think this happened overnight though & that it's the fault of notability cars or whatever.

What these people fail to understand in their vehement defence of claiming other people’s money as their own is that those other people could easily make an electoral choice to not hand out their money. Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

Those that have paid in to the pension can spend it on what they like. Those that haven’t get vouchers. It’s an incentive to work. We need more of these.

@Woodlend & the ones who worked but live in social housing?