Fuck it - the government will look me

UC isn’t time limited is it?

Do other countries have the same thing?

Ahh now we are on to the awkward truth. No we don’t. However, that is not the higher earners, broadest shoulders or whatever. They pay exceptionally high rates compared to other economies. We have a very distorted and upside down tax system. Harsh reality is, lower earners and middle earners pay no where near enough. We are also outliers on our welfare system. Many counties are time limited and contribution based. We have far too many people not contributing comparatively because our system allows it.

You not understanding stuff doesn’t make it bizarre. Try harder. What exactly are you wanting to discuss. Your questions don’t make any sense.

I've asked you lots of questions on the thread, which you have either ignored or said you can't answer due to a lack of a crystal ball.

As a country we do not pay anywhere near enough tax through income, employers & employees NI to support our healthcare model & the state pension. With an ageing population, a lack of investment that has lead to years of little growth we cannot afford these models.

I don't know how you fix it now but people are still arguing that others should be paying/suffering to make it affordable. That isn't going to work.

Right.

What if they have other income, from savings etc? PIP is not means tested, remember? It's to help fund the additional costs of being disabled.

I think PP’s answer to any rational explanation is ‘well a bailout just isn’t going to happen’

aka ‘la la la la la’ I can’t hear you’

or ’now that you have explained it and I’ve got nothing more to come back with’.

I believe in welfare, just not how it is right now. It’s unsustainable. The general public are turning against welfare in general. The public have been groomed to not see pensions and child benefits as welfare. To an extent UC as well. The kite flying coming from the Labour government is on purpose. They want people to target someone to be angry with. This time it is disabled and sick people. It is coming directly from those in government. Think about that.

They came for the ‘rich’, those who could afford private school, private sector workers. Now it is people in fairly average jobs and the disabled. You vote in a party who has the type of divisive rhetoric Labour have, this is what happens.

The current government was left with a total shit show and Brexit economic basket case by the Tories. Brexit is costing us £100billion a year in lost trade and Labour can barely whisper it because the still-deluded loony Brexit brigade will start screaming about them 'undoing brexit'.

Their choices are very limited as to how to improve the country's prospects and they look like they are flailing around.

No one seems to have any better ideas , Reform and the Tories say punish the poor and reward the rich and the wealth will trickle down. This has never worked in history (which us why the are all for it) and where the country is now is this result of decades of that debunked policy.

I sometimes wonder why Labour even bother trying to get into power every time after this Tories have been screwing everything up for years. It's a completely thankless task. Blair managed to fix the country that the previous lot of Tories had screwed up but of course he hadn't inherited a Brexit sized disaster.

If they cut off our country’s access to finance or insist on a loan call-in, we won’t have the money for pensions so they’ll have indirectly stopped their payment.

You not understanding stuff doesn’t make it bizarre. Try harder. What exactly are you wanting to discuss. Your questions don’t make any sense.

Which would be a far fairer system and would reward a work ethic.

That is not true ES. There are only two contribution-based benefits. One is time limited, the other is not if you meet certain criteria. But you can't get either if you haven't paid into the system.

All other benefits are not time limited and have nothing to do with whether you have contributed or not.

So it is not true to say "the less you have contributed the longer you can get benefits".

@WildLimePoet your responses are bizarre, I assumed you wanted to at least try and discuss but clearly you are just ranting.

What are posters saying about IMF bailout? Other than saying it isn’t going to happen. Is yours and their crystal ball more effective than economic indicators?

And you’ll have to ask the IMF on the raising of pension age. Like I said, they won’t be asking for anyone’s opinion on here, they’ll have their own modelling as to what the right number is. I’m sure you can find their address on google.

Employer social security costs are also higher in countries with better public services.

If you don’t think they are tell mnhq instead of this

It isn't enough money to afford to buy a car. It's money to lease a car or the same money in cash because not everyone wants to use the money to lease a car and not everyone is able to drive.

Mm. Well. Guess what? My husband didn't want injuries from military service and to have to become disabled but hey ho. And if you're going to start a rather goady thread at least examine your grammar.

* We're* the only country in Europe that gives such a paltry amount to people who lose their jobs through redundancy.

Most countries base what you get out by what you paid in.

@WildLimePoet I never said that? Why do you keep confusing what posters are writing? I said an IMF bailout is not close. It isn't.

I don’t know what you’re trying to get at

I asked you what you meant by a significant increase to pension age, I didn't think that was a hard question to answer, do you mean 75, 80?

But others have a time limit on benefits and it’s contribution based is that right?

We have the opposite, the less you have contributed the longer you can get benefits. There’s no time limit?

How do you know? Do they have no free choice over how it’s spent?

I think if they’re being given enough money to afford a car, and decide they don’t need a car, they’re being given too much money!

Were the only country in Europe that gives such a paltry amount to people who lose their jobs through redundancy.