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AIBU to think this tutor has an attitude?

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SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:22

First time posting on here (long-time lurker). I'm not sure what I'm looking for here tbh, maybe just a hand-hold or just (brutally) honest opinions, but I'm just feeling a bit weird about a Zoom call I had with my DS' history tutor yesterday. I might be overreacting but it's just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Me and DH decided to get DS a tutor for GCSE History. He's in Year 11 and he's had a bit of a shit time with the course. When he was choosing his options in year 9, his history teacher did recommend that he do geography instead because his essay-writing and memory surrounding dates was not good (he did roughly the same in terms of achievement in both history and geography). The thing is he is interested in it, but he just can't remember key dates very well. The thing is he wants to do history at A Level. I feel bad for him because he likes the subject, but he's just not very good at it and obviously that's problematic if he is considering this subject as a potential academic or career pathway.

So we meet this tutor and he says in our initial meeting with him that tutoring is to complement ongoing revision. I don't agree with this because I view tutoring as teaching my DS how to revise. The tutor says that he likes to do a baseline assessment with the students so he can determine their areas they need work on, which again I found a bit overkill because why are you already testing DS when you haven't taught him how to revise yet?? We scheduled a lesson for later that week, but DS was running a little bit late as he'd woken up late so we only had 30 minutes of a lesson with the tutor (it's all done on Zoom). DS thought he had been working on the Cold War that week in school and so the tutor set him some questions on the Cold War. DS, bless him, really struggled with the first question so didn't have time to look at the rest of the questions. The tutor ran through the questions with DS, and that was when DS realised he hadn't actually done the Cold War and he'd gotten the name confused with something else.

The tutoring has been going on for 2 months, and the tutor scheduled a Zoom call with me to basically tell me that we may want to reconsider choosing History as an A Level option. This really caught me off guard, and it came across as him telling me how to parent my child! He said that there are loads of issues regarding essay-writing and analysing sources and interpretations, and whilst he is totally happy to support DS with this he can't ignore the fact that if these skills aren't being mastered in Year 11 history then this is going to severely set DS back when he starts Year 12. I ask the tutor about what revision methods he has taught DS, and the tutor said that the subject knowledge is a key area of weakness, and DS apparently said to him that he doesn't make notes in the lessons because his teacher isn't good. I said to the tutor that I think DS just needs to be taught how to create his own quizzes, and how to create flashcards and mindmaps. The tutor said that with mocks coming up those "knowledge gaps" need to be filled in. But I'd prefer him to prioritise teaching DS how to revise history, and if I'm asking for a particular service surely I should receive it?

So, AIBU to think this tutor has a bit of an attitude and is overstepping the mark a bit? I don’t need him to tell us which subjects DS should or shouldn’t do at sixth form, I just want him to teach DS how to revise properly!

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Calliopespa · 08/11/2025 23:38

CrispySquid · 08/11/2025 23:37

Your son sounds like a complete numpty.

Unsurprisingly, “subject knowledge” is a crucial part of knowing about a subject. Does that even need to be said?! “Revision Skills” are the least of your problem. Your son doesn’t appear to actually know or understand a single thing about history and doesn’t seem to be hungry to learn at all. The acquisition of knowledge comes before revision of the knowledge. Thats the world’s most obvious point.

I can’t believe your post is actually real.

Is op the tutor!

CrispySquid · 08/11/2025 23:37

Your son sounds like a complete numpty.

Unsurprisingly, “subject knowledge” is a crucial part of knowing about a subject. Does that even need to be said?! “Revision Skills” are the least of your problem. Your son doesn’t appear to actually know or understand a single thing about history and doesn’t seem to be hungry to learn at all. The acquisition of knowledge comes before revision of the knowledge. Thats the world’s most obvious point.

I can’t believe your post is actually real.

ThatChristmasMug · 08/11/2025 23:34

MumChp · 08/11/2025 23:28

Lots of history to study with SA. Good choice of spending half term hands on.

😂😂

fair point

shhblackbag · 08/11/2025 23:31

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/11/2025 21:48

The "attitude" seems to be coming from your son and yourself, quite frankly.

I'd be sighing if - the very first tuition session - the student was late because he'd slept in.

Yes, this. Tutor is reasonable, you seem to be in denial.

It was patronizing to send mind map examples and the tutor will be best to just ignore you.

Agree. That would really have annoyed me. If you don't trust his ability, go elsewhere.

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 08/11/2025 23:30

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:08

I do see your point about baseline assessments but I just feel like it could have been done after teaching him some strategies rather than at the very start of the tutoring journey.

As for the charger and being late, yes, I did talk to him about being more organised but the he had been up early the day before to revise.

I appreciate your point about hobbies. That said, I really think the key is that he learns how to revise properly. If he masters that, I genuinely think he can catch up on the subject knowledge.

I have sent the tutor a sample mind-map template my friend uses with her class as I thought it might help him see what I mean. He hasn't replied yet, which again is frustrating.

Baselining was to see what he already could do. He has been studying this course for over a year.

He doesn't need to learn how to revise properly. He needs to learn how to structure a historical essay.

It was patronizing to send mind map examples and the tutor will be best to just ignore you. If you want to engage a tutor to support your son, you need to trust them. The fact that you've apparently rejected two already is presumably a sign that you don't trust them. Is this one better than the last two? Because constantly changing is a waste of everyone's time.

Allthecoloursoftherainbow4 · 08/11/2025 23:30

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:28

Honestly, I'm starting to get a bit upset at some of the replies saying this is a wind-up, and I know I asked for brutally honest opinions but it gets to a point where it's just straight-up mean. I'm genuinely trying to do what's best for DS and I feel like some people are completely missing the point. I want to make sure he is getting the right support.

i feel like the focus keeps drifting away from the key issue which is about how DS is revising and whether he's getting real, structured guidance. That's all I care about. It's upsetting to feel like people are questioning my motives rather than the actual problem here.

Op you simply dont seem to understand what revision is?

Revision is about going back over content you have already learned

Your son hasnt done the bit of learning the content in the first place, because he does not make notes in class and cant even remember what topics he's covered let alone the content from them.

You can only complete a mind map when you know some stuff to put in it, your son doesn't?

Butterflywings84 · 08/11/2025 23:30

I know you want to do the best for your DS but you are now on your third tutor, have detailed two instances of messing this one around in these posts alone and are coming across that you know best. You may keep asking for help with revision techniques but if the tutor can see such fundamental gaps in your DS’ ability he can’t just ignore them. Sending him an example mind map is probably pretty offensive - you’re basically telling him you know more about his job than he does. I’m not sure you’re going to get the result you want here.

Calliopespa · 08/11/2025 23:30

MumChp · 08/11/2025 21:40

If you aren't happy with tutor find another. It's a service you pay but tbh it sounds like your child really needs to step up if he wants to do an A-level.

This op.

If you want help preparing him for the mocks, then you need another tutor because this one isn't invested.

However, most tutors don't turn down work, so I suspect he really feels your DS is just not up to it.

A baseline assessment is normal.

The mind maps and flashcards are all very well in theory, but they supplement a base knowledge. You actually need to know what topic it is you are doing to begin to make a useful mind map of it. You can't make a mind map before you have looked at the material and then suddenly understand it because you have drawn a mind map. They are simply one way of representing or recalling the revision you have already done. the mind map doesn't somehow GIVE you the understanding.

I think you need to be listening to the tutor's advice op. I find it hard to believe DS is genuinely interested, as, sorry to say this, I actually nearly got the giggles reading your op because he seems really quite detached from the process. Sorry, you asked for brutal and this is. But it's ultimately kinder to face reality now than down the line.

Lunde · 08/11/2025 23:29

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:55

It's interesting because I spoke with my friend this week who's a teacher. She doesn't teach history but still it's good to have her opinion.

She said she completely agrees with me that revision techniques are important, and she gave me an example she did with her own class where she set her year 10's a task where they had to make a mind-map of key themes from An Inspector Calls and then use it to plan an essay. She said even her weaker students improved loads because they could visualise the connections between characters and themes. That's exactly what I've been trying to get this tutor to do! I don't see why it's so hard to integrate something like that into a history topic and then create an essay plan afterwards. I mentioned this in the call I had yesterday with the tutor, and he was fixating on how he is not confident of DS hitting his target grade of a 5 in his mocks in December!

I'm not saying my friend is some sort of education guru, but it does beg the question of whether we're dismissing revision techniques.

I still think there's a bit of a difference between tutoring and just telling someone they're bad at essay writing, and I feel like I'm going round in circles trying to explain this to the tutor.

But what is your DS going to use to make these revision aids if he has no notes? Are you expecting the tutor to spoon-feed your DS an entire GCSE course in a few hours?

He cannot even identify what history period he is studying to his tutor for them to get started.

I don't see this ending well unless you and your DS have a major change in thinking. What is it about history that your DS actually likes? If this is something he is so keen on - why is he so unmotivated that he cannot get up on time or charge his laptop the night before?

MumChp · 08/11/2025 23:28

ThatChristmasMug · 08/11/2025 23:24

I bite

how is "South Africa" relevant in this tale?

Lots of history to study with SA. Good choice of spending half term hands on.

mylaganlove · 08/11/2025 23:28

OP, you can't focus on revision if you haven't done the 'vising' in the first place.

Your son needs to do a LOT of reading, both the materials set for his subject, and around them. This will help him evaluate sources, develop arguments and write essays. He can't rely on the teacher (who he thinks isn't very good) or tutors (who you think keep letting him down).

He has to do the work.

(A mind-map!!! I mean, yes, it's a tool... but the idea you only need the right mind-map to do well at a deeply-academic subject...)

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 08/11/2025 23:28

I’m a tutor and I think you’re being so unreasonable that the tutor would be better not tutoring for you! You seem to want to second guess everything and have firm ideas about how you want him to be taught, but you aren’t grasping what the tutor is saying. Gaps in knowledge must be filled in first. It’s right for the tutor to prioritise this. Revising from scrappy, incomplete notes is a waste of time but you’re insistent on it. The tutor is being honest is telling you that your son isn’t a good fit for an a-level in the subject and you’re ignoring that too. Why pay for tuition and seek advice if you know best?

Spookyspaghetti · 08/11/2025 23:28

I did A Level History. For context, I got one A and C or above in all other subjects. Guess what I got in history… an E. I’m reasonably academic and studious but history A level is hard. Facts alone won’t get your son through. You need to be good at making arguments and have sociopolitical knowledge of the time period. It’s not just who did what when. I was more focused on my other subjects and History is one that needs full attention and effort with lots of reading. Your son would have to completely change his attitude to hard work, listen to his teachers and tutors, and go all in. Or pick a different A level.

Mind maps are great for a subject like English but not as useful for history. If you do want to do them, your friend has already explained it and they are fairly easy for you to implement yourself with your son. It probably would be best to just let the tutor get on with it.

VivX · 08/11/2025 23:27

Revision is what happens after you have the basic knowledge.

If there is no basic knowledge, then really the "revision" is actually learning from scratch.

I feel that if there are basic gaps in knowledge, all the mind maps and revision tools in the world in the world are not really going to help here.

History has a lot of content, I'd definitely take the tutor's advice here in getting the key information into your ds's head first, even if you switch tutor.

MumChp · 08/11/2025 23:26

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 08/11/2025 23:22

If the kid is as terrible at writing essays as the OP has claimed, since essay writing is the backbone of a degree in History, how is he going to pass Philosophy or Ethics?! I mean, 1/2 of Philosophy is studying history of thinkers, and the time periods they lived in that formed these concepts!

The kid might get 100% right because he pays attention or the tutor in that subject is spot on. Who knows? OP might know but most likely not choose to answer.

Amiunemployable · 08/11/2025 23:26

Not being funny, OP, and I haven't RTFT yet, but seriously, do not let him do it for A Level.

I got an A in my history GCSE. (I now also have a BA and an MA in a similar essay based humanities subject, so very good at essays, etc.). I loved history at GCSE. It was a topic and period of time I was interested in. Hence, the A grade. However, I stupidly assumed that meant I was passionate about all of history. I took it for A Level and got an E!

Did you hear that? I went from an A at GCSE to an E at A Level. It was ten times harder, and a time period I found incredibly boring.

So if he's struggling now, do not let him do it for A Level.

The tutor is right.

Neeroy · 08/11/2025 23:26

You can't revise what you don't know. So the tutor is right to make sure the subject knowledge is learnt in the first place to be able to revise it. In the gentlest way possible that is what revision means. I'm sorry to say I agree with the tutor.

Nomdejeur · 08/11/2025 23:25

So if I’m clear, 3 tutors and the teacher are wrong in their approaches, but you, with no History or teaching experience are right?

ThatChristmasMug · 08/11/2025 23:24

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:53

DH is trying to be supportive but I think he's a bit out of his depth. He keeps saying things like "just let the tutor do his job" but I don't think he really understands my concerns. He is the type of guy who just nods his head or goes "oh right!" when you're telling him about a situation. I try to keep DH in the loop, but at the end of the day I feel like it's my job to make sure this whole tutoring thing works out well.

DH has spoken to the tutor once. We were in South Africa for October half term and I couldn't get a signal on my phone but he could, so he contacted the tutor to ask if it was possible for him to push the lesson back an hour because we had mistimed when we would be able to get back to the hotel.

I bite

how is "South Africa" relevant in this tale?

ThatChristmasMug · 08/11/2025 23:23

LaMarschallin · 08/11/2025 22:58

he contacted the tutor to ask if it was possible for him to push the lesson back an hour because we had mistimed when we would be able to get back to the hotel

Okay.
Wind up - has to be.

here, very. likely

Sadly people like the OP actually exists in real life. But teachers can't sack them and have to put up with them, and it's much worst in private school because "they want what they pay for"

Poor kids..and poor teachers.

Fluffyholeysocks · 08/11/2025 23:22

I think you are going about this in the wrong way OP. Surely your emphasis should be on getting the coursework learnt at school and the tutor supplementing that learning? What does his teacher say? Is it worth having a tutor? You mentioned in your first post he was advised by the school not to do history and yet he still chose it.
I would speak to the teacher to understand whether your DS is understanding the coursework first before querying the tutor on his revision technique. There's no point in 'revising' if the knowledge isn't there in the first place.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 08/11/2025 23:22

MumChp · 08/11/2025 22:46

Worse comes to worse? Tbh expect it. Yoy have had a fair warning.

If he does well in Economics or Philosophy and Ethics why not go with that instead of a subject he isn't good at and doesn't improve with tutoring?

If the kid is as terrible at writing essays as the OP has claimed, since essay writing is the backbone of a degree in History, how is he going to pass Philosophy or Ethics?! I mean, 1/2 of Philosophy is studying history of thinkers, and the time periods they lived in that formed these concepts!

bridgetreilly · 08/11/2025 23:21

Revision is for stuff you have already learned. But it sounds as though the problem is that your DS has not learned these things, so the tutor is having to teach him from scratch. And you absolutely need to listen to his advice about A-level. Fortunately, history is one of those things it’s easy to keep being interested in without studying it.

blacksax · 08/11/2025 23:20

Look at it this way. He's received input from his class teacher, Tutor 1, Tutor 2 and now Tutor 3, and it has not made a jot of difference to his progress in this subject.

Maybe history is not his strong point, and is never likely to be, no matter how many tutors you throw at it.

Onelifeonly · 08/11/2025 23:19

It's a good few decades since I took A Level history and schools were very different then, but I do remember history was notable for the amount of content you had to recall. My main focus when revising for all my A Levels was to get a good sense of all the details. Mind maps etc help recall, they don't tell you what you don't know or understand. GCSE won't be as complex or as wide ranging, of course, so if he struggles to manage at this level, then I can't see A Level being likely. I loved, and continue to love history - your son doesn't seem to be all that interested in it. Plus essay writing is key..... I also loved writing...... One of my daughters enjoyed history but writing was not her forte and so she didn't select history as a GCSE option.