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AIBU to think this tutor has an attitude?

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SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:22

First time posting on here (long-time lurker). I'm not sure what I'm looking for here tbh, maybe just a hand-hold or just (brutally) honest opinions, but I'm just feeling a bit weird about a Zoom call I had with my DS' history tutor yesterday. I might be overreacting but it's just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Me and DH decided to get DS a tutor for GCSE History. He's in Year 11 and he's had a bit of a shit time with the course. When he was choosing his options in year 9, his history teacher did recommend that he do geography instead because his essay-writing and memory surrounding dates was not good (he did roughly the same in terms of achievement in both history and geography). The thing is he is interested in it, but he just can't remember key dates very well. The thing is he wants to do history at A Level. I feel bad for him because he likes the subject, but he's just not very good at it and obviously that's problematic if he is considering this subject as a potential academic or career pathway.

So we meet this tutor and he says in our initial meeting with him that tutoring is to complement ongoing revision. I don't agree with this because I view tutoring as teaching my DS how to revise. The tutor says that he likes to do a baseline assessment with the students so he can determine their areas they need work on, which again I found a bit overkill because why are you already testing DS when you haven't taught him how to revise yet?? We scheduled a lesson for later that week, but DS was running a little bit late as he'd woken up late so we only had 30 minutes of a lesson with the tutor (it's all done on Zoom). DS thought he had been working on the Cold War that week in school and so the tutor set him some questions on the Cold War. DS, bless him, really struggled with the first question so didn't have time to look at the rest of the questions. The tutor ran through the questions with DS, and that was when DS realised he hadn't actually done the Cold War and he'd gotten the name confused with something else.

The tutoring has been going on for 2 months, and the tutor scheduled a Zoom call with me to basically tell me that we may want to reconsider choosing History as an A Level option. This really caught me off guard, and it came across as him telling me how to parent my child! He said that there are loads of issues regarding essay-writing and analysing sources and interpretations, and whilst he is totally happy to support DS with this he can't ignore the fact that if these skills aren't being mastered in Year 11 history then this is going to severely set DS back when he starts Year 12. I ask the tutor about what revision methods he has taught DS, and the tutor said that the subject knowledge is a key area of weakness, and DS apparently said to him that he doesn't make notes in the lessons because his teacher isn't good. I said to the tutor that I think DS just needs to be taught how to create his own quizzes, and how to create flashcards and mindmaps. The tutor said that with mocks coming up those "knowledge gaps" need to be filled in. But I'd prefer him to prioritise teaching DS how to revise history, and if I'm asking for a particular service surely I should receive it?

So, AIBU to think this tutor has a bit of an attitude and is overstepping the mark a bit? I don’t need him to tell us which subjects DS should or shouldn’t do at sixth form, I just want him to teach DS how to revise properly!

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Friendlygingercat · 09/11/2025 00:07

I tutor at postgraduate level and I agree fundamentally with the majority of opinions expressed by the posters here.

The tutor is an expert in his field. You should show him some basic respect as such. Would you argue with a medical expert or surgeon if they expressed an unwelcome opinion? Probably not. In fact its you who comes across as having an "attitude" here. All this background information about losing a laptop charger and your son oversleeping is disrespectful. It makes you sound disorganised and indicates lack of basic preparation for the session. I am not surprised that your son has a chaotic learning style and an inability to master the basics of history.

No doubt you want the best for your son. However you are doing him no favours by ignoring advice about his skill set and attempting to push him into a subject for which he has little ability. The tutor is giving you sound advice. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Ratafia · 09/11/2025 00:04

I have sent the tutor a sample mind-map template my friend uses with her class as I thought it might help him see what I mean. He hasn't replied yet, which again is frustrating.

He's probably busy counting to several thousand and deep breathing to calm himself, whilst also trying to compose a semi-polite reply.

Lilactimes · 09/11/2025 00:02

Lilactimes · 08/11/2025 23:58

Hi @SoCloseToNothing1981
my DD got a 9 at GCSE A* at A level and has just graduated with a 2:1 in History from a top uni. I too am a historian with similar grades.
Her tips are that she has always attended all lessons and lectures; done her reading and made copious notes. Then as the exams approach she re reads her notes from lectures or lessons, and condenses the key points on to index cards. She then reads those and then condenses further until all the course key quotes dates are on a small set of cards. I used to test her on these cards (Alevel) and she would know everything . She would also do timed essays at home from past papers as the exam approached.

I would also say the warfare part of the GCSE history course is awful and uninteresting - and she hated it too. It needs a different approach to note taking - some kind of table of themes. Cold War is so interesting and is usually taught in year 11 and not year 10 so your DS may just be learning it now.

VivX · 09/11/2025 00:01

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:38

tbh we have been thinking about this a lot. DS really wants to do history, but if worse comes to worse then we have got some backup options available. For example, he's quite keen on Economics or Philosophy & Ethics (so I'd appreciate opinions on this)

Honestly, I don't think history is for your ds for all the reasons you yourself have already mentioned and the feedback from the tutor.

Philosophy and ethics are also essay subjects. If his history is this weak with his supposed interest in it, then Philosophy and Ethics are likely to be worse.

Economics has some maths content and there is still also an essay element to it. This might be more suitable if his maths is good - and he is interested in economics, of course.
(As an aside, economics at degree level has a lot more maths content. Some universities take a maths a level instead of or in addition to an Economics a level)

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 09/11/2025 00:01

Hopefully you have paid attention to the 99% of people saying YABU.

Tutors leaving sets off alarm bells for me; it suggests they know they'll get nowhere with your DS and have got out before it affects their reputation. You commenting about jumping between Elizabethan England and WW1 suggests you don't know about the modular aspects of the exam, so I think you are in much of a position to criticise.

I think the tutor has attitude because you aren't listening and he's trying to get through to you.

Notes must be taken, whatever lessons are like. In history exams you are often asked to make arguments about a POV that are supported by facts; where are his facts going to come from?

I do appreciate that alternative presentation might help, but revision can't really happen if there are no facts to rearrange in the first place.

Calliopespa · 08/11/2025 23:59

If you have specific revision techniques in mind, surely you teach him this? And let the history specialist try to teach him history?

In fairness, in order to be able to help him with a mind map for his history topic, OP would need to know the content - but that's kind of the whole problem here. The DS doesn't know enough yet to begin revising it.

Smallsalt · 08/11/2025 23:59

A tutor cannot teach your son how to revise because every person revises in different ways. Although it sounds as if your son isn't revising at all and that you are both blaming everybody , teachers ,school , tutor for your son's lack of application.
A tutor teaches you the subject, a tutor tries to supplement and complement in school learning. He can't do that because your son doesnt seem to have learnt anything to complement.

Half a tutor session because he got up late?

Thought he had done cold war in school when he hadn't. WHAT WAS HE DOING IN CLASS ALL WEEK? How is that even possible.?

Tutor isn't telling you how to parent your child.
He is telling you that your child hasn't a hope in hell of passing an exam because he is doing shit all work either at school or for the tutor.
Your son is playing you and you are lapping it up. Swift kick up the arse needed which would probably have better results than tutoring.

Lilactimes · 08/11/2025 23:58

Hi @SoCloseToNothing1981
my DD got a 9 at GCSE A* at A level and has just graduated with a 2:1 in History from a top uni. I too am a historian with similar grades.
Her tips are that she has always attended all lessons and lectures; done her reading and made copious notes. Then as the exams approach she re reads her notes from lectures or lessons, and condenses the key points on to index cards. She then reads those and then condenses further until all the course key quotes dates are on a small set of cards. I used to test her on these cards (Alevel) and she would know everything . She would also do timed essays at home from past papers as the exam approached.

Teanandtoast · 08/11/2025 23:56

If you have specific revision techniques in mind, surely you teach him this? And let the history specialist try to teach him history?
Unfortunately it sounds like history is not a good match for your son, and 3 tutors so far have thought the same. How's his working memory and auditory memory? He may struggle to recall facts when being talked at. Is he able to remember specific things? This is something can practise and improve if it's something you feel is an issue.

tapaw · 08/11/2025 23:54

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:44

I see all your points and I'm not going to deny that there is an issue regarding his knowledge. I think I was just not expecting the tone the tutor spoke to me in.

The first lesson where DS was late, it was mainly down to the fact that we couldn't find the laptop charger (and DS sleeping in meant we had minimised time to find said charger). I did message the tutor that we were going to be late if he wanted to grab himself a coffee or something. DS did toy with the idea of skipping the lesson altogether, but I said "no, we will still be charged" so he logged on and the tutor let out a sigh and said "right, let's get started". Just found it a bit unnecessary.

This is totally unacceptable behaviour re the laptop charger and oversleeping. I pity the tutor.

AngryBookworm · 08/11/2025 23:53

I'm not sure you understand what History actually requires - you seem obsessed with revision techniques, specifically memorising dates. Even if your son is able to recite every specific date relevant to his study (which seems unlikely if he's not only taking notes but confused about what's gone on in lessons) this won't be enough at GCSE or at A Level if he can't put together arguments and analyse sources. These are all things that can be learned, but it takes time and application.

And there's the crux of the problem. You can tell people things but you can't make them learn, and if your son is this profoundly disengaged from the subject now, it's going to need a lot of turning around and an attitude change from him. Not liking his teacher is not a reasonable excuse. You say your son desperately wants to do History but if he's not engaged with the teaching he's getting at school, I can see why the tutor doesn't think he's going to singlehandedly pull off a miracle. Most teachers wouldn't think that was possible, which is why GCSE History isn't taught through a few months of frantic 1-1 flashcard-making.

Calliopespa · 08/11/2025 23:51

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:55

It's interesting because I spoke with my friend this week who's a teacher. She doesn't teach history but still it's good to have her opinion.

She said she completely agrees with me that revision techniques are important, and she gave me an example she did with her own class where she set her year 10's a task where they had to make a mind-map of key themes from An Inspector Calls and then use it to plan an essay. She said even her weaker students improved loads because they could visualise the connections between characters and themes. That's exactly what I've been trying to get this tutor to do! I don't see why it's so hard to integrate something like that into a history topic and then create an essay plan afterwards. I mentioned this in the call I had yesterday with the tutor, and he was fixating on how he is not confident of DS hitting his target grade of a 5 in his mocks in December!

I'm not saying my friend is some sort of education guru, but it does beg the question of whether we're dismissing revision techniques.

I still think there's a bit of a difference between tutoring and just telling someone they're bad at essay writing, and I feel like I'm going round in circles trying to explain this to the tutor.

The revision techniques ARE important and will come later op. He has to cover the material first.

It's like you are trying to travel to Ibiza and saying we are telling you to ditch your bikini because we are saying "no, no op, don't put it on at the airport: you need to get on the plane first."

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kgov1 · 08/11/2025 23:50

I agree revision techniques are important but only if you have adequate subject knowledge.

There is simply no point in the tutor teaching your son how to revise if he doesn't know the course content. Your son should know what he was doing in lessons this week and you need to be more frustrated with him, than the tutor

Ratafia · 08/11/2025 23:49

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:59

He actually does really well in other subjects which is why I find this whole situation frustrating.

In English he's predicted a 6, and he's quite creative when it comes to writing. He's good at Science when he's interested and he's okay at Maths.

I just don't see why history has to be treated like some impossible subject when surely if someone knows how to revise efficiently then it's a level playing field.

So if he does well in other subjects, revision is not the problem, is it? If he finds mind maps etc useful then he would already be using them - but not everyone does.

What jumped out at me from your first post was the reference to your son struggling because he isn't good at remembering dates. History, especially at A level, isn't really about being able to remember dates - it's about being able to research, analyse, and draw conclusions from facts. I fear that both of you may have a fundamental misperception of what is involved in both GCSE and A level history.

Winter2020 · 08/11/2025 23:48

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:08

I do see your point about baseline assessments but I just feel like it could have been done after teaching him some strategies rather than at the very start of the tutoring journey.

As for the charger and being late, yes, I did talk to him about being more organised but the he had been up early the day before to revise.

I appreciate your point about hobbies. That said, I really think the key is that he learns how to revise properly. If he masters that, I genuinely think he can catch up on the subject knowledge.

I have sent the tutor a sample mind-map template my friend uses with her class as I thought it might help him see what I mean. He hasn't replied yet, which again is frustrating.

Why don't you just show your son how to do a mind map OP? Or flash cards. I'm sure he will have come across those things at school, they won't be completely new to him.

If your son enjoys history but isn't up to the academic challenges of studying it at A level then I think you should remind him that he is always free to read around historic subject for pleasure but at school he needs to choose subjects he can pass. My son wants to study Spanish as one of his A levels but his school might not run it if they don't get the numbers. I have reminded him that he can carry on learning his Spanish using duo lingo and it can be a life long learning project. He doesn't have to do it at A level.

Are you sure that A levels are the right route for your son? Has he looked at other courses run at colleges or trying to get an apprenticeship? - although I believe that they are very competitive.

CurlewKate · 08/11/2025 23:47

If he can’t cope with history ALevel he won’t cope with Philosophy and Ethics. It’s a subject which needs a lot of reading and analysis and essay writing. A bit like history, really.

Calliopespa · 08/11/2025 23:47

Clonakilla · 08/11/2025 23:42

It sounds like you want a single magic trick - mind maps or whatever - to get your son through.

The truth is there is a magic trick: putting in the work. If your son doesn’t do that, no revision strategy can save him.

Not taking notes, not paying enough attention to know what he’s studying, not working through the questions, turning up late, blaming everyone but himself……these are the problems.

Exactly.

A mind map isn't some "secret code" to unlock a drawer-full of completed essays.

It's a way of marshalling material that has already been covered and understood by the student.

latetothefisting · 08/11/2025 23:46

I wouldn't say the tutor is the one with the attitude....

OakleyAnnie · 08/11/2025 23:46

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:59

He actually does really well in other subjects which is why I find this whole situation frustrating.

In English he's predicted a 6, and he's quite creative when it comes to writing. He's good at Science when he's interested and he's okay at Maths.

I just don't see why history has to be treated like some impossible subject when surely if someone knows how to revise efficiently then it's a level playing field.

If you knew the revision techniques yourself, OP, would you be able to write the essays? Or do you think you might need to know the material first?

Clonakilla · 08/11/2025 23:42

It sounds like you want a single magic trick - mind maps or whatever - to get your son through.

The truth is there is a magic trick: putting in the work. If your son doesn’t do that, no revision strategy can save him.

Not taking notes, not paying enough attention to know what he’s studying, not working through the questions, turning up late, blaming everyone but himself……these are the problems.

Allotin · 08/11/2025 23:42

How is your son going to revise stuff which he never learnt in the first place?

echt · 08/11/2025 23:42

The thing I found arresting was the child not knowing his current History topic, i.e. not just about it, but what it was. I tutor VCE (Level) English in Victoria and at the interview stage I ask their texts and the order they're being studied, also their last exam result. For context I've never encountered a school where this info wasn't available before the start of the academic year. All of this is so I can do a tutor's job: supplement the learning in school.

In my experience, those who answer "don't know" to very basic questions never ever make it to the end as tutees. And not because they don't need it.
In this case it's worse; he didn't know he didn't know.

dancingbymyself · 08/11/2025 23:41

But can’t you see that if people genuinely think this is a wind-up, your approach must be wildly off the mark here?
And surely you must understand that before even considering revising a subject, i.e testing your knowledge of it, you need to have some actual knowledge first? You’ve glossed over that he mixed up the Cold War with unknown, and that he doesn’t write any notes. So what would he be revising?

I sorry but he just doesn’t sound very academically-minded at all, and I’m not sure Economics would be a good move either. What are his genuine strengths? Sometimes we just have to accept we’re not good at something we would like to be.

Lunde · 08/11/2025 23:40

Your first priority should be for your DS to have a complete set of notes that covers his history syllabus - without these what will he revise from?

Does he have a school history textbook?

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