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AIBU to think this tutor has an attitude?

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SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:22

First time posting on here (long-time lurker). I'm not sure what I'm looking for here tbh, maybe just a hand-hold or just (brutally) honest opinions, but I'm just feeling a bit weird about a Zoom call I had with my DS' history tutor yesterday. I might be overreacting but it's just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Me and DH decided to get DS a tutor for GCSE History. He's in Year 11 and he's had a bit of a shit time with the course. When he was choosing his options in year 9, his history teacher did recommend that he do geography instead because his essay-writing and memory surrounding dates was not good (he did roughly the same in terms of achievement in both history and geography). The thing is he is interested in it, but he just can't remember key dates very well. The thing is he wants to do history at A Level. I feel bad for him because he likes the subject, but he's just not very good at it and obviously that's problematic if he is considering this subject as a potential academic or career pathway.

So we meet this tutor and he says in our initial meeting with him that tutoring is to complement ongoing revision. I don't agree with this because I view tutoring as teaching my DS how to revise. The tutor says that he likes to do a baseline assessment with the students so he can determine their areas they need work on, which again I found a bit overkill because why are you already testing DS when you haven't taught him how to revise yet?? We scheduled a lesson for later that week, but DS was running a little bit late as he'd woken up late so we only had 30 minutes of a lesson with the tutor (it's all done on Zoom). DS thought he had been working on the Cold War that week in school and so the tutor set him some questions on the Cold War. DS, bless him, really struggled with the first question so didn't have time to look at the rest of the questions. The tutor ran through the questions with DS, and that was when DS realised he hadn't actually done the Cold War and he'd gotten the name confused with something else.

The tutoring has been going on for 2 months, and the tutor scheduled a Zoom call with me to basically tell me that we may want to reconsider choosing History as an A Level option. This really caught me off guard, and it came across as him telling me how to parent my child! He said that there are loads of issues regarding essay-writing and analysing sources and interpretations, and whilst he is totally happy to support DS with this he can't ignore the fact that if these skills aren't being mastered in Year 11 history then this is going to severely set DS back when he starts Year 12. I ask the tutor about what revision methods he has taught DS, and the tutor said that the subject knowledge is a key area of weakness, and DS apparently said to him that he doesn't make notes in the lessons because his teacher isn't good. I said to the tutor that I think DS just needs to be taught how to create his own quizzes, and how to create flashcards and mindmaps. The tutor said that with mocks coming up those "knowledge gaps" need to be filled in. But I'd prefer him to prioritise teaching DS how to revise history, and if I'm asking for a particular service surely I should receive it?

So, AIBU to think this tutor has a bit of an attitude and is overstepping the mark a bit? I don’t need him to tell us which subjects DS should or shouldn’t do at sixth form, I just want him to teach DS how to revise properly!

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UnderTheStarryNight · 09/11/2025 06:54

You really need to listen to the tutor here, your DS is clearly no good at history. Why don’t you suggest that he has it as a hobby but focuses on the things that he’s good at for actual exams? It sounds like he likes it but would probably get more pleasure from it without the pressure of exams.

northern2025 · 09/11/2025 06:53

This is a wind up ! The OP just keeps coming back more and more ghastly😂

Halfwaytheree · 09/11/2025 06:32

What’s the highest level of education in history that you have obtained, OP? It sounds as if you are telling his tutor how to do this job, what are your credentials?

Tutors can’t make the impossible happen. You have a son who doesn’t really give a shit, doesn’t make notes, turns up late, puts no meaningful effort in, and frankly is not good at history. The tutor can’t complete your son’s history assessment for him, and your son has been through 3 history tutors now. Most pupils that succeed in history do it without the help of a tutor. Yet your son, with every opportunity given to him, still doesn’t get it. A tutor can’t make someone who fundamentally isn’t capable, capable unfortunately. No matter how much money or “mind maps” you throw at a stone, you can’t make blood come out of a stone.

Mydogisagentleman · 09/11/2025 06:30

You lost my sympathy when you wrote 'bless him'

thepariscrimefiles · 09/11/2025 06:29

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:44

I see all your points and I'm not going to deny that there is an issue regarding his knowledge. I think I was just not expecting the tone the tutor spoke to me in.

The first lesson where DS was late, it was mainly down to the fact that we couldn't find the laptop charger (and DS sleeping in meant we had minimised time to find said charger). I did message the tutor that we were going to be late if he wanted to grab himself a coffee or something. DS did toy with the idea of skipping the lesson altogether, but I said "no, we will still be charged" so he logged on and the tutor let out a sigh and said "right, let's get started". Just found it a bit unnecessary.

I can't believe that you didn't ensure that your DS was ready in time for his tutorial by making sure that he woke up in time and had found his laptop charger and charged his laptop.

History is one of those subjects where you need to be able to retain historical facts which involves revising and remembering stuff which your DS seems incapable of doing. There isn't a magic wand to wave so that your DS suddently becomes good at History without him (and you) taking the advice of an experienced tutor rather than thinking that you know best.

Zanatdy · 09/11/2025 06:05

If you know exactly what he needs - mind maps etc, why are you wasting money on a tutor? There is endless material online for how to revise effectively, even on Tiktok etc.

When I was studying A level law, I needed to remember countless law cases and the dates. Our teacher taught us to write down all the cases and make a little saying out of the first letter of each case, eg the following would be ‘the cat sat on the mat’. Its a good way of remembering it.

Thomas v crown
Clarke v crown
Smith v crown
Owen v crown
Thompson v crown
Matthews v crown

Spend some time researching techniques and find one that suits him. But to revise, you need to know the content. Does he? He’s not even making notes. He should find some bitesize videos on each topic, and get up to speed with all the info before looking at revising.

History requires you to be a good essay writer. If he’s not, and struggles with memory, it’s not the right subject for A level. He’s got time to increase his knowledge on each topic. Pick one and spend some time helping him to learn the content and remember dates etc. Then randomly test him over dinner etc. Put the dates on the fridge - kitchen cupboards etc

Whyherewego · 09/11/2025 05:49

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:38

tbh we have been thinking about this a lot. DS really wants to do history, but if worse comes to worse then we have got some backup options available. For example, he's quite keen on Economics or Philosophy & Ethics (so I'd appreciate opinions on this)

My DS did history and philosophy A levels. Having spent a lot of time helping him revise ... history is very fact based, lots of remembering things in order to argue and structure the essay. If he's showing little inclination to remember dates and things now, he will struggle.
Philosophy is strangely another memory subject. You have to precisely learn lots of different ethical and philosophical arguments and be able to quote them in the correct way. These are often very similar to each other. It was a lot of flash card revision. To get you to the point where, again, you can start writing an essay/argument.
If DS does not love these topics then it will be tough for him to do. If he does not like or is not good at essays. It will be tough for him to do.

KimTheresPeopleThatAreDying · 09/11/2025 05:49

As others have said, you can’t revise what you never knew in the first place. If DS is genuinely interested in history there’s nothing stopping him learning about it as a hobby, but I don’t think doing it for A level is a good idea.

JMSA · 09/11/2025 05:34

You’re totally unreasonable. Your son should have study skills by now. Would you rather the tutor continue to take your money, even though your son has little aptitude and motivation for the subject?!

Peridoteage · 09/11/2025 05:31

Op revision is what you do when you've mastered the material, but are needing to keep it fresh in your memory, because the courses are two years long and exam isn't until the end.

What the tutor is telling you is your DS hasn't mastered the course content or skills. He's got big gaps in his subject knowledge and is weak in the analysis & essay writng skills. The tutor needs to teach him the content & skills before he can get to effective revision methods.

It sounds like your DS really wouldn't cope well with the a-level.

You need to get organised too, all this being late and messaging to move the time because you've got mixed up, it just sends a message you aren't prioritising this at all.

tripleginandtonic · 09/11/2025 05:26

If there are knowledge gaps then teaching him how to revise is pointless as there's nothing to revise from. Get him on BBC bitesize to fill those gaps, but make sure he does the right syllabus.

Snorlaxo · 09/11/2025 05:04

Yabu

So we meet this tutor and he says in our initial meeting with him that tutoring is to complement ongoing revision. I don't agree with this because I view tutoring as teaching my DS how to revise. The tutor was clear that he’s there to help raise Ds’ grade on top of his personal revision. If you wanted someone to teach study skills then you needed another tutor who teaches that.

There’s lots of other problems with your expectations. For example a baseline assessment is pretty basic- a 8/9 student needs different teaching than a 4/5 student.

If your son isn’t even making notes then it sounds like he needs someone to teach the facts as it doesn’t sound like he’s turning to other sources to create usable notes. For example there are many teachers on YouTube who have uploaded GCSE revision lessons and using YT means being able to pause and rewind on demand. I can’t comment on history teachers but my kids definitely used YT for other subjects.

Kimura · 09/11/2025 04:18

ittakes2 · 09/11/2025 03:08

Can I just add despite getting a 9 in history and my son liking history - his career guidance suggested he did not do it at A level as it was a lot of work and unnecessary unless he wanted to study history at uni

I loved history as a kid, GCSE history was the highlight of my entire education. I was going through all the GCSE reading material, and whatever else I could get my hands on, as a hobby by year 8. Did zero actual revision and A* starred it with a load of 99%s.

I was buzzing to get into the A Level, but I found it much, much harder. I still enjoyed it but it was a real chore at times, and it put me off studying it at uni.

I wouldn't say it's pointless if you're not doing a degree through. I've worked on and off as a journalist over the years, it definitely gave me a good foundation for that, and a few other aspects of my professional life. Personally as well, I think it helps me look at the bigger picture and try to understand different perspectives with a lot of things.

ticklyfeet · 09/11/2025 04:01

OP, I would recommend you show your son how to take notes. The inability to do this will impact massively. He only needs to take down the pertinent information but if he is unable to do this he’s going to struggle.
If you hope for your son to manage A Level history he also needs to be able to debate the issues and give his own views. This requires critical thinking skills and he either has the ability or he hasn’t.
To create an essay on history or any other subject, he will need good written English skills.
As a pointer in the right direction, I would suggest he goes onto a history forum and read what people are discussing and how they express themselves.
I wish your son well, especially if he enjoys history.

GarlicHound · 09/11/2025 03:53

I'm somewhat unconvinced the DS is even going to history classes. Is the teacher a timid or scatty type, visibly weary of trying to corral insubordinate teenagers and/or exclusively engaged with the keen students?

I once skived a whole term of English Lit. Our teacher was very sweet but boring as hell, and the class was a three-hour block. The term I skived was Wordsworth and his fucking daffodils. Whiny git!

GreenWheat · 09/11/2025 03:38

I am gobsmacked at your blinkers OP. Your DS is headed for a max grade 5 in history. You have been through 3 tutors, unashamedly turn up late for sessions, he can't even say what topic he's studying, isn't interested enough to make notes in class. Instead of blaming everyone else, stop ignoring the elephant in the room - your DS is not going to be good enough to do it for A level.

Fortunately, history is a subject that's easily accessible as an hobby for those interested in it - books, podcasts, online discussion. Encourage that for your DS.

ittakes2 · 09/11/2025 03:25

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 22:38

tbh we have been thinking about this a lot. DS really wants to do history, but if worse comes to worse then we have got some backup options available. For example, he's quite keen on Economics or Philosophy & Ethics (so I'd appreciate opinions on this)

Please do not encourage him to do philosophy and ethics - it’s a lot of essay writing and remembering which philosopher had which theory and then applying this to a question plus also remembering quotes. My daughter got a 9 for gcse English ( including 100% for paper 1) and a 8 for English literature and she struggled with P&E as she has a poor memory.
also economics - you said your son was ok at maths rather than good at maths. My son was told not to do economics unless he was also studying maths at A levels (he got an 8 for gcse maths so was capable of maths). Maybe business is a better option for your son at A level as a 6 in English should be ok

ittakes2 · 09/11/2025 03:08

Can I just add despite getting a 9 in history and my son liking history - his career guidance suggested he did not do it at A level as it was a lot of work and unnecessary unless he wanted to study history at uni

ittakes2 · 09/11/2025 03:05

“DS just needs to be taught how to create his own quizzes, and how to create flashcards and mindmaps”

I am really surprised you think this is the solution. It’s unlikely he does not know how to write a flash card - he just needs to do it. Seriously, just get him to write flash cards and either test your son with the factual info yourself or hire a 6th form A level student to do it for you.

My son did GCSE history, he got a 9 but I suspect it’s because he is good at essay writing (went on to study English literature for A level) and has a good memory (was literally learning dates the night before his exams).

If your son can not get a 7 (or at least a 6 for some schools usually privates) for gcse history he will not be allowed to take it for A level.

Work out how he remembers facts and dates - I would link dates for my son to other important events in his life ie remember the second war ended in the same day of the month as your birthday etc etc

GeorgeandAsh · 09/11/2025 02:58

HRTFT. I got to the part where you said DS is doing really well... a six in English... I am now struggling to believe the veracity of your OP. DD has just started university. She attended a non-selective bog-standard Northern comp .and waa told to hope to do well at A levels she should be looking at (minimally) 7s at GCSE in the subject, preferably 8s.
DD gained a 9 in GCSE history and still didn't take it at A level. If your DS can't even recognise what subject he learned in lesson this week and isn't working near a six, which you consider to be doing well, it seems insane he'd even consider History at A level. The tutor isn't a magician.

RawBloomers · 09/11/2025 02:24

OP I think part of your issue is that you seem to have a fairly fixed idea of what tutoring should be and you have a tutor with a different idea of what he’s offering.

And that with your experience of what sound like some truly awful previous tutors and your (I think admirable) desire to do everything you can to help your DS be able to do the A levels he’s most interested in have put you on edge and are making interactions you might otherwise have taken in your stride feel more personal.

Your son’s tutor might have an attitude, he might not. Sighing on your first session was unprofessional even though you were late. But that doesn’t mean his assessment of your DS’s capacity for history A level at this stage is wrong. He’s just giving you a heads up. He’d be remiss not to. You don’t have to do anything with the advice.

Have you tried talking to the tutor about all this?

Maybe see if he’d do a few extra sessions with DS where he goes over revision techniques, history essay structure, how to analyze a source, etc.? It may be that his school has terrible history teaching (I know we had a couple of dud subjects when I was in school, though we still got reasonable results over all) or a teacher he just doesn’t gel with.

CalishataFolkart · 09/11/2025 02:06

Firstly, imagine you employed a coach to teach your son how to run 100m really fast. The coach will need to know how fast your son can run before they start a training plan.

That’s what baseline means.

Secondly, the tutor cannot teach your son to revise notes that haven’t been made.

nocoolnamesleft · 09/11/2025 01:55

I'm still trying to work our what he could possibly have confused with the Cold War. Warfare in cold weather? Is he thinking of Napoleon's long retreat from Moscow? Or the Eastern Front? The mind boggles.

saltandvinegarchipsticks · 09/11/2025 01:49

SoCloseToNothing1981 · 08/11/2025 21:55

It's interesting because I spoke with my friend this week who's a teacher. She doesn't teach history but still it's good to have her opinion.

She said she completely agrees with me that revision techniques are important, and she gave me an example she did with her own class where she set her year 10's a task where they had to make a mind-map of key themes from An Inspector Calls and then use it to plan an essay. She said even her weaker students improved loads because they could visualise the connections between characters and themes. That's exactly what I've been trying to get this tutor to do! I don't see why it's so hard to integrate something like that into a history topic and then create an essay plan afterwards. I mentioned this in the call I had yesterday with the tutor, and he was fixating on how he is not confident of DS hitting his target grade of a 5 in his mocks in December!

I'm not saying my friend is some sort of education guru, but it does beg the question of whether we're dismissing revision techniques.

I still think there's a bit of a difference between tutoring and just telling someone they're bad at essay writing, and I feel like I'm going round in circles trying to explain this to the tutor.

You’re going round in circles? Not half as much as everyone else on this thread. You’re not listening at all.

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 09/11/2025 01:48

This cannon be real, surely?

You're sending the tutor mind maps and revision techniques and telling him how to do his job?

He needs to drop you as a client and you need to stop trying to make your DS do History because he's not going to do well

You've got a History Tutor when you really want a Study Skills Tutor

It's like hiring a drum instructor and getting annoyed he isn't teaching music theory instead

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