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Is this a performance review

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hummous123 · 08/11/2025 17:06

New starter of two/three months has emailed everyone an email along the lines of "great being part of the team and here's where I need training".

It was the whole team..... I don't interact with her whatsoever.

Is she being performanced managed or potential to be?

Or am I over thinking?

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Geekynzmum · 11/11/2025 19:15

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 17:06

New starter of two/three months has emailed everyone an email along the lines of "great being part of the team and here's where I need training".

It was the whole team..... I don't interact with her whatsoever.

Is she being performanced managed or potential to be?

Or am I over thinking?

Apologies if this has been said, I haven't RTFT.

I would say she's had a probation review with the Manager and they've told her what she needs to work on. Instead of speaking to specific people, she's done a mass email hoping for volunteers or so she can say she did ask for help but didn't get it.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 21:39

k1233 · 08/11/2025 21:32

Taking notes is essential IMO. If I'm explaining something to someone who isn't taking notes I know it's not going to come back correct.

Yes I don't mind showing someone a few times to do something basic. Notes are also good. But when someone is constantly taking notes and it's still not being done right.

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k1233 · 08/11/2025 21:32

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:16

Thanks.

So the email was so long and a lot of effort went into it.

Which is fine, but it was directed to everyone. She didn't @ me for anything so I don't know how I supposed to respond. Also everyone but me answer to a different line manager. So I'm not sure how to respond.

The few times I've shown her something she just doesn't understand it. It's very basic - eg there are two ways to enter the database and it will depend if you need X or Y. This is very basic for the job (I can't be specific).

Her work is also not great, not completing anything and I've had to redo a lot of it last weekend for a deAdline.

I feel she uses a lot of the managers time already and I feel she's got a memory issue as everything is written down, not held and work doesn't seem to be done.

Taking notes is essential IMO. If I'm explaining something to someone who isn't taking notes I know it's not going to come back correct.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 21:02

steff13 · 08/11/2025 20:01

Then it seems like you do have something to offer her. She's only been there 2-3 months, she's obviously still learning.

It's simple form filling.... Shouldn't really need to redo this work. It's also been told it's been in hand for three weeks but isn't

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EBearhug · 08/11/2025 20:50

As a manager I wouldn't be super happy about it. If i have a new joiner then it's my job to decide (with them) where they are at and what skills or training they should be focusing on in order to perform their day to day job. Once they are established in the role it's different and they own their development plan.

I agree with this, but it doesn't happen that way in all jobs.

Bearbookagainandagain · 08/11/2025 20:46

I agree with you that it is a weird thing to do, and not something I have come across before. But everyone has a different approach I guess.

As a manager I wouldn't be super happy about it. If i have a new joiner then it's my job to decide (with them) where they are at and what skills or training they should be focusing on in order to perform their day to day job. Once they are established in the role it's different and they own their development plan.

Depending on the type of training she is asking for, I also would be unhappy for a member of my team to spend significant amounts of time training someone on a system or tool they don't need. It's different of she is just trying to understand what others are doing though, and how it fits with her responsibilities.

Ultimately I think the best approach is to mention the email to your manager, and ask whether they want you to support with any aspect of the training.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 20:14

You are all right though

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steff13 · 08/11/2025 20:01

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:48

Which is fine but why upskil at 2 months in a new job?

Which again I don't have a problem with, but I've had to do some work for her recently as well and checked it, it's not correct

Then it seems like you do have something to offer her. She's only been there 2-3 months, she's obviously still learning.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:48

StartingOverInMy40s · 08/11/2025 19:46

Or she could just want to be the best she can and upskill herself.

Either way, it’s not OPs job to stamp it out, the poor girls manager can do that if they agree it’s not appropriate.

Which is fine but why upskil at 2 months in a new job?

Which again I don't have a problem with, but I've had to do some work for her recently as well and checked it, it's not correct

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StartingOverInMy40s · 08/11/2025 19:46

Nearly50omg · 08/11/2025 18:58

I’ve worked with people like her before and this needs stamping on NOW!! She thinks she is better than everyone else and will
make herself a major pain in the arse! She expects to be taught everyone’s jobs as she doesn’t think of herself as an admin but basically better than everyone else who works there and WILL expect everyone to basically give them their jobs to allow her to climb the ladder in record time!

compete fruitloop!

email her reminding her that her job is x and she needs to actually be good at that for a start!

Or she could just want to be the best she can and upskill herself.

Either way, it’s not OPs job to stamp it out, the poor girls manager can do that if they agree it’s not appropriate.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:34

Blanketpolicy · 08/11/2025 19:30

if there is a lot in the list prioritise it, it doesn’t all need done in one week it could be done over a longer time. As she feels more confident with some aspects she might not require others. She sounds like someone who is struggling and is reaching out for help to become a productive team member. No one wants to be shit or feel inadequate at their job.

if you are not responsible for, or empowered to make these decisions about your time ask your manager how they, you or others can help support her.

for the database entry do you not have user guides, operating procedures, helpcards for new starts to stop them being dependent on other, apparently reluctant, team members showing them? Very poor of your department if you don’t.

If her work isn’t great it may be she is struggling, that may be down to weak skills or poor onboarding, it is her managers/teams responsibility to help her to become a productive team member, not be negative when she asks for help.

Ok someone was promoted form her job so wouldn't you be asking them for support? No one else knows her job?

I have issues with her performance and understanding but I guess that's another issue.

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LizTruss · 08/11/2025 19:33

You are the Chancellor of the Exchequer and I claim my Five Pounds.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:30

InLoveWithAI · 08/11/2025 19:26

I agree too.

I really don't understand why you're so upset at this.

If it's not for you, don't respond.

I don't know what's for me? I don't want to ignore it

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Blanketpolicy · 08/11/2025 19:30

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:16

Thanks.

So the email was so long and a lot of effort went into it.

Which is fine, but it was directed to everyone. She didn't @ me for anything so I don't know how I supposed to respond. Also everyone but me answer to a different line manager. So I'm not sure how to respond.

The few times I've shown her something she just doesn't understand it. It's very basic - eg there are two ways to enter the database and it will depend if you need X or Y. This is very basic for the job (I can't be specific).

Her work is also not great, not completing anything and I've had to redo a lot of it last weekend for a deAdline.

I feel she uses a lot of the managers time already and I feel she's got a memory issue as everything is written down, not held and work doesn't seem to be done.

if there is a lot in the list prioritise it, it doesn’t all need done in one week it could be done over a longer time. As she feels more confident with some aspects she might not require others. She sounds like someone who is struggling and is reaching out for help to become a productive team member. No one wants to be shit or feel inadequate at their job.

if you are not responsible for, or empowered to make these decisions about your time ask your manager how they, you or others can help support her.

for the database entry do you not have user guides, operating procedures, helpcards for new starts to stop them being dependent on other, apparently reluctant, team members showing them? Very poor of your department if you don’t.

If her work isn’t great it may be she is struggling, that may be down to weak skills or poor onboarding, it is her managers/teams responsibility to help her to become a productive team member, not be negative when she asks for help.

ShesTheAlbatross · 08/11/2025 19:28

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:16

Thanks.

So the email was so long and a lot of effort went into it.

Which is fine, but it was directed to everyone. She didn't @ me for anything so I don't know how I supposed to respond. Also everyone but me answer to a different line manager. So I'm not sure how to respond.

The few times I've shown her something she just doesn't understand it. It's very basic - eg there are two ways to enter the database and it will depend if you need X or Y. This is very basic for the job (I can't be specific).

Her work is also not great, not completing anything and I've had to redo a lot of it last weekend for a deAdline.

I feel she uses a lot of the managers time already and I feel she's got a memory issue as everything is written down, not held and work doesn't seem to be done.

So I’d just ignore the email then.

InLoveWithAI · 08/11/2025 19:26

steff13 · 08/11/2025 19:08

Agreed.

If there's something she needs training in that you can help her with, then offer to help her. If there isn't, then just ignore the email. I don't get the consternation.

I agree too.

I really don't understand why you're so upset at this.

If it's not for you, don't respond.

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:18

steff13 · 08/11/2025 19:08

Agreed.

If there's something she needs training in that you can help her with, then offer to help her. If there isn't, then just ignore the email. I don't get the consternation.

I've never come across an email with 62 lines of where you need training on.... Sent to the whole team.

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hummous123 · 08/11/2025 19:16

Blanketpolicy · 08/11/2025 19:10

Whether she is being performance managed or is asking for support with her training is none of your business. You seem very concerned about her business, and such a simple request of asking for training. Is there some missing background?

A new college has asked for training, then you help them, or if you don’t have time ask your manager if you can shuffle some priorities to help them or can they allocate someone else who can.

The topics she has requested should be trained at a level relevant to her role. So for example if someone junior in my team asked about Agile Project Management training I wouldn’t assume they wanted training to the level of a PM (yet, but great if they have those ambitions). I would speak to them to find out what their challenges were and what they thought they needed to know for their role, or guided them what they needed to know, and either point them in the direction of company resources for self learning, or someone who could support them, or train them myself.

Thanks.

So the email was so long and a lot of effort went into it.

Which is fine, but it was directed to everyone. She didn't @ me for anything so I don't know how I supposed to respond. Also everyone but me answer to a different line manager. So I'm not sure how to respond.

The few times I've shown her something she just doesn't understand it. It's very basic - eg there are two ways to enter the database and it will depend if you need X or Y. This is very basic for the job (I can't be specific).

Her work is also not great, not completing anything and I've had to redo a lot of it last weekend for a deAdline.

I feel she uses a lot of the managers time already and I feel she's got a memory issue as everything is written down, not held and work doesn't seem to be done.

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Blanketpolicy · 08/11/2025 19:10

Whether she is being performance managed or is asking for support with her training is none of your business. You seem very concerned about her business, and such a simple request of asking for training. Is there some missing background?

A new college has asked for training, then you help them, or if you don’t have time ask your manager if you can shuffle some priorities to help them or can they allocate someone else who can.

The topics she has requested should be trained at a level relevant to her role. So for example if someone junior in my team asked about Agile Project Management training I wouldn’t assume they wanted training to the level of a PM (yet, but great if they have those ambitions). I would speak to them to find out what their challenges were and what they thought they needed to know for their role, or guided them what they needed to know, and either point them in the direction of company resources for self learning, or someone who could support them, or train them myself.

steff13 · 08/11/2025 19:08

Blackbookofsmiles1 · 08/11/2025 18:43

I don’t see this from your point of view at all, what’s the problem? That someone has asked for more help/training and you can’t be arsed to do it, or is it that her asking and being proactive has pissed you off because this might make her look better than you?

Im genuinely asking as I don’t get the problem her, or the problem it being emailed to the whole team, surly that’s the point? What am I missing?

Agreed.

If there's something she needs training in that you can help her with, then offer to help her. If there isn't, then just ignore the email. I don't get the consternation.

Nearly50omg · 08/11/2025 18:58

I’ve worked with people like her before and this needs stamping on NOW!! She thinks she is better than everyone else and will
make herself a major pain in the arse! She expects to be taught everyone’s jobs as she doesn’t think of herself as an admin but basically better than everyone else who works there and WILL expect everyone to basically give them their jobs to allow her to climb the ladder in record time!

compete fruitloop!

email her reminding her that her job is x and she needs to actually be good at that for a start!

EBearhug · 08/11/2025 18:46

If you're all remote, it takes longer to get y9 know people, and she's probably just hoping for some collaboration and a bit of networking.

ShesTheAlbatross · 08/11/2025 18:44

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 18:41

It was to everyone, and didn't specify who would give her training.

I find there is a disconnect between her ability and was the job requires... And her level of responsibility is quite low

Yes I know. I was wondering if she’d been told to ask the team for training, and had decided the way to do it would be to email everyone and hope for volunteers, rather than asking individuals for specific training. I’m not saying it was the right approach, but I also don’t think it’s terrible to say “I need some more training on X so if anyone would be happy to talk me through it or let me watch next time they do it, that would be great”

hummous123 · 08/11/2025 18:43

Gliblet · 08/11/2025 18:35

Maybe she's hoping someone with more experience and knowledge will say 'I can help you with this bit...'. A few people doing that and you upskill new starters in much less time than if everyone says 'ooh but shouldn't that be someone else's job?'. As for the things she wants to learn being above her current pay grade, good for her. She's trying to learn the things she'll need in the future instead of just knowing enough to get stuck where she is. I wish more people were that proactive about their career prospects and skills tbh.

So only her and I answer to the same manager, the other staff have another line manager (who answers to my manager).

I understand it's about team but we are all remote workers as well.

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Blackbookofsmiles1 · 08/11/2025 18:43

I don’t see this from your point of view at all, what’s the problem? That someone has asked for more help/training and you can’t be arsed to do it, or is it that her asking and being proactive has pissed you off because this might make her look better than you?

Im genuinely asking as I don’t get the problem her, or the problem it being emailed to the whole team, surly that’s the point? What am I missing?

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