To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?

I expect a response from Starmer will be "Well, we've already banned knives on Amazon, what more do you want?"

Or it's "Part and parcel of living in a big city" as a certain odious London Mayor said.

Can't shatter a certain narrative. Just can't.

Can you name any that have disappeared? I've not heard anything and i reckon if people were just disappearing all over the place that it would he headline news.....

Or else they're just reaping the rewards of 14 years of Tory under-investment.

Yes, and posters have told you repeatedly on this thread why that is. Why are you not responding to those points?

Don't be silly.

OP, what part of "the numbers have gone down" are you struggling to understand, exactly?

Maybe it would be a good idea for you to get off social media for a while. It seems to be making you unnecessarily anxious.

Well tbh Labour are just letting prisoners out willy nilly so it's hardly surprising there are daily stabbings. Lammy seems to be pretty relaxed about it. If I was a cynic I'd suggest Labour are deliberately letting prisoners sneak out.the back door to make it look like prisons are not full to bursting, so they can claim victory in at least sorting something out. They've done very little with anything else.

Oh my God. That is horrendous.

I am sure Starmer would love the excuse to impose ever more draconian laws on the UK population - lock up anyone who disagrees with him as ‘far right’, control the press and social media, track us all via digital ID, ban other political parties….

Bloody hell, someone mentioned about a 19 year old Lily Whithouse killed a couple of days ago which I hadn’t seen reported anywhere,
They have arrested Mohammed Azim a 42 year old with previous violent attacks.
In 2006 he abducted a man in a row, tied him up and drowned him in a canal getting 11 years for manslaughter and kidnap.
In 2012 just months after release he smashed a bottle over a homeless woman’s head and dragged her off and orally rapped her 3 times as seen on CCTV.
He was given a 16 year tariff and told by judge he was a danger to the public and lucky not to get life.
2020 released under Covid prison release scheme despite being high risk and should have been on licence till 2029.
Fuck me some people should just be locked up for life the first time.

I think the post above me about Trump and ICE might be on to something.

I think you'll be waiting a long time for that.

Trump has been declaring National Emergencies left right and centre (in blue cities - not cities with high levels of crime) and now the army patrol the streets, and American citizens are being disappeared.

Is that what you want here, Nige? What is you and Uncle Donnie's endgame with all this sowing of panic?

You are calling for one, at least you give us an idea what you think he should do.

I suggest you look up the meaning of an emergency.

What will this National Emergency look like?

It hasn’t

The people who hand wring over 'Broken Britain' and the rise in violent crime (despite stats showing the exact opposite) etc are the exact same people who bitch and whine when taxes are raised to deal with the things they bitch and moan about

Yes, it clearly is. I remember the sad story of Ahmed Iqbal Ullah who was stabbed to death at school because he was the same age as me and went to a school very near mine. But that was 1986 and we didn’t have constant instant access to news stories pushed at us by algorithms manipulated by people with very unpleasant agendas

I'm in my 70s. Went to a well thought of grammar school. When I was 15 one of the girls in the year below me stabbed a boy from the boys grammar school next door. It didn't get a mention on the news or local papers. Still happened.

As a statistician I agree that it is always wise to approach statistics with caution and think about how they have been calculated and whether any bias has been introduced. You are, however, falling into the trap of placing too much emphasis on information that is likely to be biased when you say:

people can now more openly share their experiences, Then there is people who work on services who are openly reporting they have never had to deal with so many crimes/victims/perpetrators (and on limited budgets)

Firstly are the people who work in these services who might be finding that the numbers of crimes/victims/perpetrators is the same or falling as likely to be posting on social media as those who find it's rising and they're struggling? I would expect not.

Secondly, are the numbers of people working in these roles the same, increasing or falling in line with the population? I would suggest that with continuing austerity cuts, it's likely to be falling, which could go some way to explaining why these services are struggling with demand.

I don't mean to suggest that it's not important to listen to the opinions of people who are experiencing issues first hand, that is of course important. What we shouldn't be doing though, is taking these personal experiences and trying to suggest that they indicate a national trend. The statistics from ONS may not be flawless, but the way they are collected will be determined as the best way possible by highly trained professionals and I'd believe those over a general feeling about a situation from reading posts online. (I don't work for the ONS, so have no bias there)

And rape offences have gone up.

Yes, because of the internet and a 24 hour news cycle.