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underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:14

New poster. DD (21) plead guilty for perverting course of justice. Three charges, concurrent etc. First offence, MH issues etc and she got 18 months suspended for 18 months and 12 month Mental health treatment requirement. I didn’t have chance to ask solicitor/ barrister what he thought on result but I just think this seems a little harsh? I thought a community order. I won’t go into much detailed but she told multiple lies etc to police. NO one was arrested as a result of her lies. she had MH issues. Probation recommend community order so I I think this seems harsh tbh. Any one any experience.

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noctilucentcloud · 07/11/2025 19:13

I also see this as a positive outcome for your daughter - she has to have mental health support and for a significant period. That gives her a real chance to try and understand her conditions, manage them and become stable on any helpful medication. And to get a real support system. She's also been given a second chance with the suspended sentence. It sounds as if the judge thought it was too serious to be dealt with via a community order.

PersephonePomegranate · 07/11/2025 19:10

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:25

Yeah, I’m not defending her. She has serious MH issues and previous abuse. But she’s my baby and I’ll always stand by her. I just thought as no one got arrested due to her allegations she’d be community order.

I'm sorry that your daughter is having such serious MH problems and of course as her mother it's right that you stand by her and support her, but I dont think minimising what she's done will help.

The person who she has accused will no doubt have experienced stress and perhaps even MH problems of their own as a result of these allegations. They'll have suffered defamation and suspicion - there's no smoke without fire, eh?

It's also very unhelpful to the perception of real cases like this.

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 07/11/2025 19:07

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:46

She has a serious issue with lying. She’s lied about Cancer etc. she been diagnosed with a personality disorder, harm ocd and bipolar. I pray she gets better.

This sounds so difficult and I really feel for you as her mum.

For the police, this will be a difficult situation for the police to manage, going forwards, because whilst we will mark her record with her diagnoses, hopefully, any future reports she makes still need to be taken seriously (but maybe with a pinch of salt knowing her preponderance for lying).

I really hope she gets some therapy and treatment and can live happily in the future.
Best of luck OP

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 19:03

Sassylovesbooks · 07/11/2025 19:01

I think you need to be very thankful that your daughter received a suspended sentence, rather than a custodial. Your daughter made false allegations, against, I assume a specific person, of threats to kill. That person could have been arrested and even given prison time due to your daughter's lies. The person she made allegations against could potentially be suffering from MH issues due to those allegations and there's been cases of where victims end up committing suicide. Hopefully, your daughter will now start receiving the MH support she clearly badly needs.

I appreciate this, but she did get a custodial sentence, albeit not immediate but still a custodial.

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Sassylovesbooks · 07/11/2025 19:01

I think you need to be very thankful that your daughter received a suspended sentence, rather than a custodial. Your daughter made false allegations, against, I assume a specific person, of threats to kill. That person could have been arrested and even given prison time due to your daughter's lies. The person she made allegations against could potentially be suffering from MH issues due to those allegations and there's been cases of where victims end up committing suicide. Hopefully, your daughter will now start receiving the MH support she clearly badly needs.

Motnight · 07/11/2025 18:56

DoYouReally · 07/11/2025 18:28

She clearly has mental health issues and needs help.

By the court mandating 12 months support, it's long enough that the level of continued treatment make actually have a positive impact for her.

The court have even her an opportunity. She should embrace that.

Agree with this.

DaisyChain505 · 07/11/2025 18:54

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:25

Yeah, I’m not defending her. She has serious MH issues and previous abuse. But she’s my baby and I’ll always stand by her. I just thought as no one got arrested due to her allegations she’d be community order.

It doesn’t matter if no one got arrested because of her lies the important fact is that they could have. False allegations can ruin someone’s life, cost them their job or relationship and even lead to suicide.

I’m sorry for your daughter’s mental health issues but it’s no excuse and the punishment seems to fit the crime.

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:46

She has a serious issue with lying. She’s lied about Cancer etc. she been diagnosed with a personality disorder, harm ocd and bipolar. I pray she gets better.

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underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:45

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 07/11/2025 18:42

Hi OP
I'm a police officer (detective) so I hope I can give a little insight.

We get ppl lying to us all the time. We hardly ever push a wasting police time, or perverting the course of justice, or perjury (if in court) because of the regularity of it (not enough resources to prosecute every incident!) and also to not turn people away from the criminal justice system should they have future needs of us.

I am explaining this to say your DD must have caused significant work for officers and wasted significant resources to be worth this prosecution.
Eg if she alleged digital offences (calls, media comments etc) and we have spent time and money trying to investigate these (some of our requests for digital takes days to arrange, authorise, examine etc) and it was all for nothing - it's such a waste of our already depleted resources.

I am really sorry about your DD's MH issues and I really hope she gets support.

ETA: she had a suspended sentence so nothing onerous. Broadly preventative, to dissuade doing it again.

Edited

Thanks for this. Lots of resources were wasted. She gave interviews lots of police attendances and phone work. I just thought they would go with probation. She is genuinely very mental unwell (not an excuse I know) now I am realising she was probably lucky with her sentence

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TonTonMacoute · 07/11/2025 18:42

I think you need to give some thought about what the effect of false allegations might have had on that person. People don't shrug these things off, they risked facing a court case and punishment for something they hadn't done.

I think you need to realise that sometimes someone needs to face up to the seriousness of what they have done, and the effect it could have. Sometime a sharp shock early on will do more good than being too lenient, which might get her into even more trouble later.

I hope your DD gets the help she needs to get her life on track

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 07/11/2025 18:42

Hi OP
I'm a police officer (detective) so I hope I can give a little insight.

We get ppl lying to us all the time. We hardly ever push a wasting police time, or perverting the course of justice, or perjury (if in court) because of the regularity of it (not enough resources to prosecute every incident!) and also to not turn people away from the criminal justice system should they have future needs of us.

I am explaining this to say your DD must have caused significant work for officers and wasted significant resources to be worth this prosecution.
Eg if she alleged digital offences (calls, media comments etc) and we have spent time and money trying to investigate these (some of our requests for digital takes days to arrange, authorise, examine etc) and it was all for nothing - it's such a waste of our already depleted resources.

I am really sorry about your DD's MH issues and I really hope she gets support.

ETA: she had a suspended sentence so nothing onerous. Broadly preventative, to dissuade doing it again.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/11/2025 18:36

Well there you have it, YABU

bridgetreilly · 07/11/2025 18:36

Perverting the course of justice is a really serious crime, OP. The sentence sounds reasonable to me, even if it isn’t what you hoped.

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:35

ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/11/2025 18:34

That doesn’t mean the punishment is harsh. When you commit a crime you don’t get a say in the punishment, she should be feeling grateful she didn’t get prison.

She is very grateful. She thought she would get a prison sentence. I was obviously naive and thought they would follow probation with community order.

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ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/11/2025 18:34

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:33

I’m not against Mental health treatment at all. She needs it. I just thought it would be community order with MH treatment

That doesn’t mean the punishment is harsh. When you commit a crime you don’t get a say in the punishment, she should be feeling grateful she didn’t get prison.

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:34

KilkennyCats · 07/11/2025 18:32

You must realise that’s not normal behaviour Confused
Why are you aghast at her having to have treatment for her mental health issues?

I’m not. She needs it. I just thought community order.

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underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:33

I’m not against Mental health treatment at all. She needs it. I just thought it would be community order with MH treatment

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KilkennyCats · 07/11/2025 18:32

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:29

Yes. Several people

You must realise that’s not normal behaviour Confused
Why are you aghast at her having to have treatment for her mental health issues?

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:31

ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/11/2025 18:30

Were they aware of the allegations and questioned?

Never questioned. One was aware others were not. One was in a position of authority.

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ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/11/2025 18:30

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:29

Yes. Several people

Were they aware of the allegations and questioned?

underthetrees1234 · 07/11/2025 18:29

TimeForTeaAndG · 07/11/2025 18:28

She's your baby but she's a 21 year old woman making fictitious allegations. Were they against a specific person?

Yes. Several people

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TimeForTeaAndG · 07/11/2025 18:28

She's your baby but she's a 21 year old woman making fictitious allegations. Were they against a specific person?

DoYouReally · 07/11/2025 18:28

She clearly has mental health issues and needs help.

By the court mandating 12 months support, it's long enough that the level of continued treatment make actually have a positive impact for her.

The court have even her an opportunity. She should embrace that.

TofuEater · 07/11/2025 18:27

Here are the sentencing guidelines for perverting the course of justice. Fans of The Archers will know that you can get a two year jail sentence for it

https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Perverting the course of justice

https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/perverting-the-course-of-justice

Catonacoldfridgefreezer · 07/11/2025 18:27

I think it’s a positive outcome. She clearly needs help and this will hopefully stop her doing anything like it again.