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Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

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hardstareglare · 07/11/2025 16:24

Aibu to think that the Darlington nurse case in court right now has not had much press and that it is a very important case.

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nauticant · 08/11/2025 22:25

That's an important point. When the nurses' livelihoods were on the line, the vindictive NHS management aligned with the unions and the unhinged NHS activists and the man who was invading the nurses' single-sex space so that they could wreck the careers of the nurses.

If this didn't involve making a stand against "trans rights", the BBC and the Guardian would have been kicking up an almighty storm at such a scandal.

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 08/11/2025 22:10

The point is, that any or all of them could have made the decision, but none of them wanted to be the one without a chair when the music stopped.That would have left them facing the wrath of the trans activists and the unions.

IBorAlevels · 08/11/2025 21:40

The managers who couldn't make a decision and passed it all around the houses when it landed on their desk should all be fired. Hire some more nurses with the money and I bet they'd get through the A&E waiting times quicker and have higher patient satisfaction.

Imagine getting paid that and not even being able to make a decision.

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 21:35

nauticant · 08/11/2025 21:10

Mind you, if this had been presented to Arthur Miller, he'd have rubbed his hands in glee and immediately set to work on The Crucible II.

So true!

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tedlassoforprimeminister · 08/11/2025 21:24

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 07/11/2025 18:52

And all the managers from the Trust, including the Head of Human Resources Andrew Thacker, sat in the courtroom and listened to the nurses give evidence one by one detailing how uncomfortable and anxious they had been, then one by one they (the managers) pretty much admitted that they had passed the case upwards, downwards and sideways between them to avoid taking any action. No-one would admit responsibility for making a decision (the only correct decision would have been to remove Rose to another changing room). It was always someone else's responsibility. Some of these managers are paid in excess of £100,000 per year. They all earn far in excess of any of the nurses.

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And yet when the wonderful @jophoenixstood up to give her evidence all of the same managers were conspicuous by their absence from the courtroom.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 21:10

Mind you, if this had been presented to Arthur Miller, he'd have rubbed his hands in glee and immediately set to work on The Crucible II.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 21:09

Although it seems incomprehensible why an NHS bureaucracy would spend considerable resources to destroy the careers of nurses, the project seems to be driven by NHS staff with power holding a bizarre ideology who, when it is challenged, will marshall the resources of their organisation to destroy heretics.

I mean, this is mad, isn't it?

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 21:00

nauticant · 08/11/2025 20:49

That's a good summary but make no mistake, in many of the people driving this, it isn't incompetence, it's malice.

That was clear from the prickly tone of the Trusts many HR and Workplace managers. No matter how much they tried to deflect onto other staff and mangle the English language, to such an extent they sounded like idiots at times, when push came to shove none of them could hide the fact that in this case the process was very much the punishment for the uppity women who wouldnt get with the program and shut up be re educated and then fuck off.

Londonmummy66 · 08/11/2025 20:57

NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 18:34

Is it the sign of a bloated organisation employing too many people who aren't patient facing but have the time to indulge in niche luxury beliefs?

Years ago there was a businessman, Jerry someone I think, who did sort your business out type programmes on the TV. He did one on the NHS and said what they needed was more managers. I couldn't believe that was the conclusion he came to. It was already plummeting, under (patient facing) staffed and overly managed, in my experience, but he somehow thought that more managers would fix it. Things have only got worse so yes, I think you have made a very relevant point @MrsOvertonsWindow .

john harvey jones? He did two different NHS trusts - one was Shropshire and the other was Bradford

Oblomov25 · 08/11/2025 20:57

Agreed. So angry it hasn't had more coverage.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 20:49

That's a good summary but make no mistake, in many of the people driving this, it isn't incompetence, it's malice.

WallaceinAnderland · 08/11/2025 20:26

The Trust in the Darlington Nurses case has now changed its policy allowing males to use the female changing room because the policy was unlawful. They have offered no defence in the tribunal.

Individual managers have tried to avoid personal blame but as representatives of the Trust (which is what they are in the tribunal) they have offered no defence of the Trust's unlawful policy.

In the court, on oath, the Human Resources managers said they had no knowledge of Health and Safety law and the Health and Safety managers said they had no knowledge of Human Resources law.

All tax payers are paying for this incompetence, both in the managers' wages and in the court fees. This amount can be applied across every single trust in the country. Until all trusts fall in line with the law, the court cases will keep on coming, the managers will keep their £80k plus jobs and the tax payer will keep footing the bill.

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2025 20:10

Susan Smith has received an apology from Police Scotland

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 19:31

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 19:01

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:55

But you couldn’t call the police and report those things! I mean, I know they’ll turn up for a bent brolly, but I’d like to think that even Police Scotland wouldn’t arrest someone for “failing to undress in front of a man”…

The Darlington tribunal suggests otherwise? All those HR / DEI staff horrified that the nurses aren't compliant and are complaining about being required to undress in front of a man.
As of course do all the predatory men who rock up on here lecturing women about our sins of expecting privacy and safety from creepy men.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 08/11/2025 18:57

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

AKA "Transphobic hate crimes" 🙄

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:55

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

But you couldn’t call the police and report those things! I mean, I know they’ll turn up for a bent brolly, but I’d like to think that even Police Scotland wouldn’t arrest someone for “failing to undress in front of a man”…

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:49

But what were they actually going to blame her for - what crime?

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:49

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But what were they actually going to blame her for - what crime?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 18:48

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SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:45

NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 17:49

In the Fife case the senior staff in charge of the ED /A&E (a male doctor if I remember correctly) wanted the female member of staff arrested by the police (as in handcuffed in work, charged with a crime, tax funded trial, prison term, loose professional registration, loose current job, loose the ability to get new job) for objecting to the male doctor watching her undress in the female changing room.

When you think you've heard it all, something else comes out of the woodwork. I wasn't aware of the arsehole wanting Sandie handcuffed at work and the rest. That has out cunted all the rest of the utter cuntery that this whole fucking thing is.

🤔Should out cunted be all one word?

I think it should be hyphenated? Out-cunted?

As for someone wanting a woman arrested - WTF? Who was this who wanted this and on what grounds did they want her (I presume this was SP) arrested?!

NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 18:34

Is it the sign of a bloated organisation employing too many people who aren't patient facing but have the time to indulge in niche luxury beliefs?

Years ago there was a businessman, Jerry someone I think, who did sort your business out type programmes on the TV. He did one on the NHS and said what they needed was more managers. I couldn't believe that was the conclusion he came to. It was already plummeting, under (patient facing) staffed and overly managed, in my experience, but he somehow thought that more managers would fix it. Things have only got worse so yes, I think you have made a very relevant point @MrsOvertonsWindow .

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:21

What I can't understand is why the NHS has become a haven for men demanding access to undressed women and girls? A haven for those pushing for children to be transitioned despite the dangerous medication and experimental brutal surgery.

How did the NHS lose their way over this to the extent that they openly celebrate the rights of men demanding access to undressing women staff? Is it the sign of a bloated organisation employing too many people who aren't patient facing but have the time to indulge in niche luxury beliefs? The Darlington & Fife tribunals suggest this might be the case?

MelOfTheRoses · 08/11/2025 18:04

https://thetimes.com/article/e67bb3c9-45b4-472c-b989-1ebfd8f76eea?shareToken=33ef4b78843c5317ef4c9c4fa9f76952

This was a great piece explaining why the BBC were overlooking major news stories like the Darlington Nurses.

https://archive.ph/aFWev

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