Sick of people on weight loss jabs saying you still have to “put in the work” with wl jabs

In that case why not treat it as an addiction and do a 12 step programme.

Reducing/overcoming cravings is required to maintain weight long term. These jabs are only a short term fix.

I would pat yourself on the back that you’ve done all the hard work yourself. Some people have quite bad side effects.

@Plind didn’t work like that for me - I did 6 weeks of it and then have lost 2 stone in 7 months without it - just gave me heartburn and a feeling of morning sickness, can’t say it totally curbed my appetite either , but what they are saying is true, you won’t lose it with them if you carry on exactly as before and you certainly won’t keep it off if you don’t change habits- that’s the key .

I've been on WL jabs for the better part of 9 months, during two of which (summer holidays) I returned to my regular (bad)way of eating whilst still regularly jabbing. I gained 10kg over that period. The minute I went back to my diet (involving very low carb and periods of fasting) the weight started coming off again. I'm one of the unfortunate typesa very slow loserbut the jabs absolutely do not work for me unless I work in other ways through diet and exercise.

If the jabs don't make it easier to lose weight then why would anyone use them? Surely that's the whole point of them? I think a lot of women feel guilty about doing anything that makes their life easier. They feel they have to be working hard at everything all the time, including weight loss. I say, make life easier. If you have something difficult you can't sort out without help, get the help whenever you can.

Perhaps the issue is really that nobody on WLI is suggesting it’s as hard as not being on WLI, because surely if that were the case none of us would take them. What we are saying is that for many, it’s is still not easy. So it may be easier whilst also still meaning we have to put in some hard work.

I don’t really understand why anyone cares what other people do to lose weight or why anyone gives a flying fuck how someone else feels about the effort they have made. It’s weird and resentful and aggressive to be ranting that people have it ‘easy’ when you have done the hard work. So fucking what? It doesn’t make you a better person (perhaps worse given the attitude) and it didn’t affect your life, so how about people just pipe down and focus on their own?

My weight loss on WLI has certainly been easier than other attempts; but still very hard to achieve.

I have lost weight successfully in the past by crash dieting (in my teens) madly exercising (in my 20s) sensible calorie counting (in my 30s) Rosemary Conley (in my 40s) Slimming World (in my 50s)
I always put most of it back on over 5 years or so mind and the older I get the harder it gets to lose it
I’m now past 60 and on WLI but have deliberately chosen to stay on quite a low dose as I am determined if I get to the weight I want to be I’m going to stay there even if I’m on a low maintenance dose for life
I still have to plan healthy meals, factor in regular exercise it just helps with cravings and I find it easier to talk myself out of that biscuit or glass of wine

Think about it logically OP. If weight loss jabs didn't make weight loss easier than doing it the traditional way of eating less and exercising, then nobody would bother using them especially as they are so expensive! The NHS wouldn't prescribe them either! Let's face it, if weight loss was easy then nobody would be fat other than for medical reasons. I yo yo with my weight because eating healthy consistently is fucking hard work!!!
People who say that they have to put the effort in are trying to justify their weight loss with some form of self commitment rather than just saying, 'yeah, I've finally found an easier way of losing weight and I'm loving that I don't have to really put much effort in!'

Ah but it does affect them… it means they lose the perceived competitive advantage that they’ve had over fat people for all these years, and reduces their opportunities to feel smug and superior!

It’s not fun, if that’s what you mean. But it’s much much easier to lose weight as you can’t just lose the symptoms, however miserable it is. Anyone who’s ever taken anything or had something that cuts appetite knows how effective that is. For me that’s a chunk of pregnancy and some illnesses - it’s not ‘easy’ , exactly as you say, it’s shit and I feel shit and stagger through the work day and feel terrible but the idea of food repulses me, actual food in my vicinity nauseates me and the weight falls off very fast. That part is extremely easy.

Many of these comments remind me how bitchy women can be to other women. Why would you (for example) look at another woman and decide (and make a judgement) they must have been on WLI? Would you ever look at a depressed person who is laughing and think or say snidely or resentfully 'Oh I bet they're on antidepressants '? Of course not, because it's none of your business and because you'd be pleased they seem to be feeling better.
Everybody's experience with their weight is unique. We all have different metabolisms, levels of food noise, relationships with food. So we can't make ourselves experts about other people's weight and health.
It would be lovely if we could put some of the nastiness to one side and support each other with our weight loss efforts, however we each manage our own journey.
Imagine that, a community where women have each other's backs.

Thinking back about this, "putting in the hard work" is going to be very different for someone with good food habits vs bad food habits.

For me, it's not difficult to slightly trim the volume of added butter in my portion and only served myself a bit of the same meal.

For someone whose diet needs a radical overhaul (and they need to learn to cook and eat better food), that is the hard work.

My step count is usually 20k+ 3 days a week with a workout on two of the other days, so again, no issues with exercise.

In fact, I had an argument with my husband about going on the jabs, because I cast doubt on him going on his preferred diet again. Except his preferred diet REALLY doesn't work with a family meal, he'd have to cook and prepare something separate to our toddler.

So the jabs do offer something experientially different to all people.

If you can lose weight the ‘easy way’ or the ‘hard way’, why do people somehow think it’s more virtuous to do it ‘the hard way’? If a smoker uses nicotine patches, they’re not accused of cheating and told they have to do it ‘the hard way’. But somehow there’s this weird value attached if we’re talking about weight loss.

I’ve lost 2 stone on MJ and have another 2 to go. It’s certainly not been ‘easy’ all the time but it’s been the thing I’ve stuck to the longest. I have to think ahead about what to eat and how to base every meal around protein as well as being committed to building in good exercise. For me, MJ takes the emotion out of eating and means I stop thinking about food as a ‘reward’. Food is now just fuel. It’s a brilliant thing and for me and others, it’s improved our health and allowed us to achieve something we’ve tried (and failed) for years to do. The drugs are a great medical advance and I’m perplexed as to why so many people think that weight loss is only to be praised if you ‘did it the hard way’. 🙄

For no reason other than vanity. Gosh.

Mummy makeover is lots of unnecessary surgery all performed in one go, yes?

It really isn’t ‘easier’ for lots of people. Feeling sick, headaches and feeling tired isn’t exactly easy - nor are some of the other side effects. It’s different for everyone. They work, that’s what matters.

Nothing, but why pretend it’s not easier?

There are many studies on their effect on people and the brain which say that they do stop/reduce cravings, that that is exactly how they work.

I think this nails it for me.

Why does there seem to be so much judgement around people that take a legitimate drug to aid weight loss, and greatly improve overall health? Why do other people have so much negativity towards it when in most cases our own doctors are totally supportive? Why are they so concerned about side effects we may experience and yet not concerned about the side effects of millions of other drugs. It honestly baffles me that people are so openly negative about something that presumably doesn’t effect them if they don’t take it.

I know, apparently the 2 worst things in life are 1) having no willpower and 2) looking older!

Gosh, how awful. I bet she’s looking forward to piling that weight back on once she’s off the jabs - much better to be at risk of a number of weight related illnesses than risk the absolute horror of looking older…

I have seen people on top doses of both ozempic and mounjaro not lose any weight.

It turns off some of the food noise certainly, but not all of it. There is certain amount of willpower needed.

It's not taken out of the equation, OP. This is your fantasy, which to be fair is shared by lots of other people. I still struggle not to overeat and actually find myself craving sugary sweets in a way that I literally didn't before MJ, they were never previously my thing. For me, the cravings suppression is only operative for the first couple of days after I inject. After that the main incentive not to eat is that it slows down my digestion so much that overeating is really uncomfortable and makes me nauseous or sick, as well as giving me terrible acid indigestion. It's not that I don't want to overeat, it's that I experience horrible consequences if I do. My weight loss is glacially slow. I am currently debating whether I want to keep on with them at all because whilst they could be said to help a bit there are massive downsides.

It's really annoying to hear someone who hasn't been on them and isn't going to go on them (by the sound of it) ranting about how easy they make everything because they don't. This idea you have that they turn you into someone who doesn't want to eat has certainly not been true for me.

Did those comments make you feel better about yourself? What is so missing in your life that you feel you have to make posts like this?

Losing a lot of weight, whatever the method, often results in more lines showing (because they aren’t padded out with fat anymore), likewise losing hair. It isn’t caused directly by weight loss jabs, it’s caused by losing weight.

I look fab, even if I say so myself 😉