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The immigration related clown show continues

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WildLimePoet · 05/11/2025 17:09

So now an Algerian national who was released by mistake last week is at large. As if the previous debacle with the Epping forest sex offender wasn’t bad enough.

The fact that we are hearing about this again and again tells us that,
This happens all the time
Foreign national offenders are over represented in crime statistics
Immigration is out of control
People working in Home office, prison service and and every other government department are incompetent and beyond useless.

And these people have the audacity to tell us that they want more of the public’s money in taxes.

At this point, this government (and the previous one) is laughing at us. They are taking the piss out of us. This country is broken and Labour and Tories need to be voted so far into oblivion and out of power that they never get anywhere power, ever again.

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TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 12:29

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:24

Ummmmm a lack of planning for the correct number of prison places? the public demand is for harsher and harsher sentences, the Con never built for this increase.

Its not rocket science.

You blaming Lab for this, would be like me blaming Johnson for Covid, it wouldn't be fair and neither are you.

I'm blaming Labour for the last 16 months. Have they improved things, or have the figures got worse in that time?
Do you think it was reasonable for Lammy to spend yesterday morning shopping for a new suit?

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 12:27

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:22

Why are we having early releases? any ideas?

This explains the situation the Tories got us into:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93x001ve9ko#:~:text=It%20replaced%20a%20separate%20scheme,goings%22%20across%20the%20penal%20estate.

I've already posted the same link earlier on the thread.

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:24

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 12:19

They explain that things have deteriorated further in the last 12 months, as you know.
Yet you seem determined to defend them no matter what the evidence shows. What will you say if those metrics continue to get worse over the next 4 years?

Ummmmm a lack of planning for the correct number of prison places? the public demand is for harsher and harsher sentences, the Con never built for this increase.

Its not rocket science.

You blaming Lab for this, would be like me blaming Johnson for Covid, it wouldn't be fair and neither are you.

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:22

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:37

I would have thought the links I posted upthread clearly explained whats happened over the past 12 months, ie since Labour took office.
Early releases up from 13K to almost 40K, and a 128% increase in prisoners released accidentally. Proposed Sentencing Bill expected to increase crime by 6%.
Its all there, posted above, and all happening on Labour’s watch.

Why are we having early releases? any ideas?

This explains the situation the Tories got us into:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93x001ve9ko#:~:text=It%20replaced%20a%20separate%20scheme,goings%22%20across%20the%20penal%20estate.

A prison guard walks along a passageway next to a line of cells

Nearly 40,000 prisoners released early under government scheme

The early release scheme was launched in September 2024 as an emergency measure to tackle overcrowding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93x001ve9ko#:~:text=It%20replaced%20a%20separate%20scheme,goings%22%20across%20the%20penal%20estate.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 12:22

Chimaera101 · 06/11/2025 11:38

Yes, that’s why Reeves cried last summer.

She knew she was cornered.

Yep.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 12:20

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:18

Its like a stuck record isn't?

IPSOS Have Tories on 14% Labour on 22%, Reform 34% October 2025.
YouGOv Tories 15%, Labour 20% Reform 27% November 2025.

These are poll of polls.

Why is the Prison System still using paper record keeping? Why didn't the Tories update this far earlier?

At Labour are modernising now.

Only a complete idiot would put this situation at the door of Labour.

Unfortunately the stuck record that is Labour is just pissing more people off over time.

Well unfortunately for Labour, others will do well out of it.

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 12:19

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 12:03

Those links explain how Labour inherited a broken system

They explain that things have deteriorated further in the last 12 months, as you know.
Yet you seem determined to defend them no matter what the evidence shows. What will you say if those metrics continue to get worse over the next 4 years?

jasflowers · 06/11/2025 12:18

LadyKenya · 06/11/2025 08:51

Yawn, at least try to pretend to stay on the topic. Your constant bashing of Labour, is beyond tedious. This is about wrongly released convicts, which was happening wholesale under the Cons too!

Its like a stuck record isn't?

IPSOS Have Tories on 14% Labour on 22%, Reform 34% October 2025.
YouGOv Tories 15%, Labour 20% Reform 27% November 2025.

These are poll of polls.

Why is the Prison System still using paper record keeping? Why didn't the Tories update this far earlier?

At Labour are modernising now.

Only a complete idiot would put this situation at the door of Labour.

suburburban · 06/11/2025 12:13

coldiris · 06/11/2025 12:06

At this point, this government (and the previous one) is laughing at us. They are taking the piss out of us.

The strange thing about this so called uncontrollable immigration to me is how the entire EU and UK were suddenly able to hault it nearly completely during covid. Up until then, they had all been telling us that when people come in with no documents, it's difficult to stop them or send them back for 2 reasons: a) you don't know where they came from because no documents and b) human rights

Then come covid. They all miraculously shut their borders and neither the documents, nor human rights posed any issues then. Are we being laughed at? I don't know!

Yes shame they can’t do so now for about 5 years’ or more

coldiris · 06/11/2025 12:06

At this point, this government (and the previous one) is laughing at us. They are taking the piss out of us.

The strange thing about this so called uncontrollable immigration to me is how the entire EU and UK were suddenly able to hault it nearly completely during covid. Up until then, they had all been telling us that when people come in with no documents, it's difficult to stop them or send them back for 2 reasons: a) you don't know where they came from because no documents and b) human rights

Then come covid. They all miraculously shut their borders and neither the documents, nor human rights posed any issues then. Are we being laughed at? I don't know!

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 12:03

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:37

I would have thought the links I posted upthread clearly explained whats happened over the past 12 months, ie since Labour took office.
Early releases up from 13K to almost 40K, and a 128% increase in prisoners released accidentally. Proposed Sentencing Bill expected to increase crime by 6%.
Its all there, posted above, and all happening on Labour’s watch.

Those links explain how Labour inherited a broken system

Chimaera101 · 06/11/2025 11:38

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 11:34

Absolutely. Starmer and Reeves have thrown in the towel with the electorate, this is just about not collapsing entirely due to the markets.

Yes, that’s why Reeves cried last summer.

She knew she was cornered.

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:37

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 11:32

I am not arguing with that. More prisoners got released, more mistakes got made.

Can you explain how Labour has made the prison system worse?

I would have thought the links I posted upthread clearly explained whats happened over the past 12 months, ie since Labour took office.
Early releases up from 13K to almost 40K, and a 128% increase in prisoners released accidentally. Proposed Sentencing Bill expected to increase crime by 6%.
Its all there, posted above, and all happening on Labour’s watch.

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 11:35

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/nov/06/prisoner-release-david-lammy-latest-live-politics-news-updates?

Prison governors in England accuse Conservatives of being ‘disingenuous’ and point to effects of austerity

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 11:34

Chimaera101 · 06/11/2025 11:30

Bond market calls on Reeves to double fiscal buffer to 20bn.

Reuters.

This is Reeves real Master, not the electorate.

Absolutely. Starmer and Reeves have thrown in the towel with the electorate, this is just about not collapsing entirely due to the markets.

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 11:32

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:28

The number of prisoners released accidentally has increased by 128% in the last year.
It has got worse since Labour took office.

I am not arguing with that. More prisoners got released, more mistakes got made.

Can you explain how Labour has made the prison system worse?

Chimaera101 · 06/11/2025 11:30

Bond market calls on Reeves to double fiscal buffer to 20bn.

Reuters.

This is Reeves real Master, not the electorate.

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:28

The number of prisoners released accidentally has increased by 128% in the last year.
It has got worse since Labour took office.

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 11:25

https://howardleague.org/why-are-prisons-overcrowded/

How did we get into this mess?

These problems did not come out of the blue. In 2014, we published a briefing called Breaking Point, which revealed that 78 prisons were holding more people than they were designed to accommodate. We wrote: “Urgent action is needed to ease the strain on the prison system. The MoJ must take action to reduce the prison population and increase prison officer numbers.”

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 11:02

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 10:46

It's not immigration related, it the collapse of the CJS and prison overcrowding.

All that started under the Conservative government.

Yes thats true, but things are getting worse under Labour.
In the past year almost 40K prisoners have been released early. In the previous year, 13K were released early.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93x001ve9ko

At least one has gone on to commit murder.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-freed-prison-under-early-32794872

Police chiefs have warned that Labour's proposed Sentencing Bill will increase crime by 6% per year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/06/prison-sentencing-reforms-rise-in-crime-police-chiefs

Prison sentencing reforms will lead to up to 6% rise in crime, police chiefs say

Government plans include more short sentences being suspended and earlier releases from jail

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/06/prison-sentencing-reforms-rise-in-crime-police-chiefs

bemoresloth · 06/11/2025 10:46

It's not immigration related, it the collapse of the CJS and prison overcrowding.

All that started under the Conservative government.

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 10:46

Iwantmyoldnameback · 06/11/2025 10:33

If someone shows you who they are believe them. When they sell off the NHS, take away human rights and reduce minimum wage people will be so shocked. And they still won't stop the boats.

I felt the same way about Labour before they were elected.

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