The immigration related clown show continues

The GE of 92 was nothing to do with the poll tax riots, the 5 year term was up. And the Tories got back in much to everyone's surprise.

They might be and polls could keep going down, even some on here might think yeh this is bad.

I suppose the public can show dissatisfaction in various ways. Labour had winter of discontent, Thatcher had poll tax riots but there were GEs soon after.

Actually maybe just a new leader after Thatcher, for how long.

If the polls were as they are now a new leader would be absolutely bonkers to do that. May called an election because of the difficulty she had getting Brexit "done".

Eta: sorry, meant to quote @EasternStandard

You seem a little obsessed with me…

It’s not healthy.

Like a pp said "looking for a fight"

Keep trying!

I suppose a new leader might want to try to get mandate. May called a GE when she didn’t have to.

Although she wasn’t doing too badly before it, but did lose some ground.

You patently have no idea, none.

Incidentally, I find it staggering that you would seek to defend this horror show of a government

I haven't defended Labour or any other party. I thought we were simply having a chat about the processes available (or not) to end a government's term early.

Are you normally such a day dreamer?

The UK economy isn't in such dire state at all, you just wish it was, how patriotic of you.

That’s not my point.

Labour’s ability to govern could be severely impeded however - much as the back benches will not permit any reform to welfare, if the bond markets react adversely, Reeves will be compelled to make cuts.

There is a scenario where this becomes a zombie administration - a government in name only.

The UK economy is in a very precarious position at the moment.

Nice try.

Nope, I maintain that people will not give this government the benefit - look at the data after 15 months - it’s pretty damning. Post budget, it will be existential.

So, whilst there is no parliamentary mechanism, government does not operate in a vacuum - the pressure from the markets, from the media, from the data, the electorate - will bear.

Whether that results in a zombie government who’s ability to do any more damage is restricted, or a challenge to Starmer, or, more unlikely, an IMF intervention, remains to be seen.

Incidentally, I find it staggering that you would seek to defend this horror show of a government.

There is a scenario where this becomes a zombie administration - a government in name only

You've changed tack a bit there. You claimed that "nobody will give this government the benefit of another three years" which indicates you think Labour somehow won't be allowed last the full term.

Now it has been pointed out to you that there is no mechanism to facilitate this (unless the government itself calls an early GE) you've switched to the notion of a "zombie government".

A zombie government can shamble on to the end of its term, much like the Tories did.

There is a scenario where this becomes a zombie administration - a government in name only

You've changed tack a bit there. You claimed that "nobody will give this government the benefit of another three years" which indicates you think Labour somehow won't be allowed last the full term.

Now it has been pointed out to you that there is no mechanism to facilitate this (unless the government itself calls an early GE) you've switched to the notion of a "zombie government".

A zombie government can shamble on to the end of its term, much like the Tories did.

That’s not my point.

Labour’s ability to govern could be severely impeded however - much as the back benches will not permit any reform to welfare, if the bond markets react adversely, Reeves will be compelled to make cuts.

There is a scenario where this becomes a zombie administration - a government in name only.

The UK economy is in a very precarious position at the moment.

Starmer may well not last the full term, but I am not sure how Labour could be forced from office? How do you envisage that happening? What would be the mechanism?

Starmer may well not last the full term, but I am not sure how Labour could be forced from office? How do you envisage that happening? What would be the mechanism?

Premised on their current trajectory, nobody will give this government the benefit of another three years, sorry.

Yes, I know what the polls say. Which is why I said they are tanking in the polls. But who knows what will happen in the next three years. The UK might lie in smoking ruins. Labour might actually have done some good. Reform's bubble might have burst. The Tories might have had a resurgence. Polanski might be on course to be the next PM.

Well yes but it matters how many and Labour are losing ground with polls starting to show them fourth.

I know that. And in reality Labour will of course be unpopular with millions of people, as every political party will always be unpopular with millions of people. Even the great saviour Farage is unpopular with millions of people. But pp posted as though it is an unknown phenomenon or one that is unique to Labour.

Anyway. This is a bit of a derail of the thread.

Thats not how polling works. None of them canvas millions of people.
Polls have become far more accurate since MRP.

The Conservatives have raised the tax burden to a 70-year high. We will ensure taxes on working people are kept as low as possible.

“Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase National Insurance, the basic, higher, or additional rates of income tax, or VAT.”
Extract from Labour’s 2024 election manifesto

This is one of the myriad reasons why Labour are so deeply unpopular - they lied to get elected, and have subsequently lied and lied and lied, since being elected.