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The immigration related clown show continues

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WildLimePoet · 05/11/2025 17:09

So now an Algerian national who was released by mistake last week is at large. As if the previous debacle with the Epping forest sex offender wasn’t bad enough.

The fact that we are hearing about this again and again tells us that,
This happens all the time
Foreign national offenders are over represented in crime statistics
Immigration is out of control
People working in Home office, prison service and and every other government department are incompetent and beyond useless.

And these people have the audacity to tell us that they want more of the public’s money in taxes.

At this point, this government (and the previous one) is laughing at us. They are taking the piss out of us. This country is broken and Labour and Tories need to be voted so far into oblivion and out of power that they never get anywhere power, ever again.

OP posts:
sleepwouldbenice · 06/11/2025 00:26

Catchee · 05/11/2025 17:23

So bored of this outrage. This happens all the time in all systems. Mistakes get made. All you are seeing is the right wing press jumping on it over and over. I'm just so bored of hearing about immigration all day and every day on here. So many people swallowed the Kool aid or bots. No small boats for a week. Illegal immigration is down. Loads of good news (buried) regarding industry and education but no, you do you, Bang on about the immigrants and illegals.

agreed. I have been thinking this for weeks, months

I have no problem with a rational balanced plan for immigration, there are problems

but the problems are so overblown. I genuinely don’t understand why people believe all problems are caused by it

all sense of proportion has been lost, blown apart by hate and misinformation

sleepwouldbenice · 06/11/2025 00:23

MidlandsWoman · 05/11/2025 18:08

OP - your claims are overblown nonsense and do not follow at all from the fact that someone was accidentally released from prison. Perhaps you could think of taking a basic course in logical reasoning.

You might also want to consider how the prison service is currently being supported by a very large number of foreign workers. If immigration rules are tightened, they will have to leave and the prison service will have even fewer staff than it already does.

Exactly. A load of waffle with no form of logic

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/11/2025 23:43

IdaGlossop · 05/11/2025 17:32

My question: in terms of impact on the victim, what is the difference between a crime committed by a) a person born in the UK b) a person who has been granted British citizenship as an immigrant coming into the country c) a person who comes to the UK as an asylum seeker using an irregular route d) a person who comes to the UK as an asylum seeker using a regular route e) an economic migrant who comes to the UK using an irregular route?
My answer: absolutely nothing.

Neglect of the prison estate for 14 years. Insufficient prison places. High staff turnover. Low pay. Demotivated staff. Of course there's chaos. It's a wonder it's not worse.

I suspect that they would prefer their attacker wasn't subsequently granted asylum. Currently crimes with sentences of less than a year in prison are overlooked for asylum decisions. Our Government considers that men with convictions for indecent exposure for example are a welcome addition to our society.

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 23:13

Wordsmithery · 05/11/2025 22:48

Well done OP. You've made a few sweeping statements and then blamed the entire civil service for the country's ills. Many civil servants are MN contributors, and all of them work in increasingly pressured and underfunded departments. Your post is generalised ill-informed rubbish.

I expect the OP wants Reform to take a hatchet to the Civil Service. Perhaps she'll tell us more about Reform's justice policy. Or perhaps not.

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 23:00

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 22:42

But of course the people promoting their anti Labour initiative, which they began long before the election, probably neither noticed nor cared when that was happening.

@ilovesootywhy do you need everyone to back your party? You’re in the minority backing them now. If you want Labour only maybe a Labour only site rather than a public one would do that for you.

Wordsmithery · 05/11/2025 22:48

Well done OP. You've made a few sweeping statements and then blamed the entire civil service for the country's ills. Many civil servants are MN contributors, and all of them work in increasingly pressured and underfunded departments. Your post is generalised ill-informed rubbish.

Bloozie · 05/11/2025 22:46

Dude go and touch some grass. Utterly ridiculous. The fumes from painting roundabouts have gone to your head.

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 22:42

Starconundrum · 05/11/2025 22:36

Interestingly while the Tories were in power they averaged 17 wrongful releases every month.

I can't find any information on if they were immigrants or not, but I would suggest their immigration status is immaterial.

But of course the people promoting their anti Labour initiative, which they began long before the election, probably neither noticed nor cared when that was happening.

Starconundrum · 05/11/2025 22:36

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2025 17:21

How come 14 years of austerity and cuts have only led to a handful of cock ups like this ?

Interestingly while the Tories were in power they averaged 17 wrongful releases every month.

I can't find any information on if they were immigrants or not, but I would suggest their immigration status is immaterial.

BluntPlumHam · 05/11/2025 22:32

Havanananana · 05/11/2025 21:19

@WildLimePoet

"The fact that we are hearing about this again and again tells us that,
This happens all the time
Foreign national offenders are over represented in crime statistics
Immigration is out of control..."

Except you're wrong:

UK Prison Statistics Reveal Surprising Imbalance: Foreign Nationals Underrepresented in England and Wales Jails [Source - Britbrief.co.uk]

Edited

Don’t do that. Facts and stats hurt their brains because they can’t massage them into their narrative.

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 22:08

pointythings · 05/11/2025 21:13

Right, so there were 4 years in which he could have been deported and wasn't - and yet it's all Labour's fault?

Bound to be. Some people wouldn't have it any other way. 🙄

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 22:06

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 22:00

Agreed, except the demands and negativity from some people, including posters on here, started even before the general election.

Not everyone is going to like Labour as you do. That’s life.

ilovesooty · 05/11/2025 22:00

pointythings · 05/11/2025 21:40

Polls just show that much of the electorate has a zero attention span and demands instant gratification like a toddler. In this behaviour they are ably abetted by the press. These demands started pretty much on day 1...

Of course it would help if the government made more noise about the good things they have put in place to date.

Agreed, except the demands and negativity from some people, including posters on here, started even before the general election.

Thortour · 05/11/2025 21:42

Shouldn’t you be outside some hotel with your Chinese made flag scaring innocent people?
Bored of people like you.

pointythings · 05/11/2025 21:40

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 21:25

There’s high disapproval ratings for Starmer and polling for Labour that drops each week so it’s easy to discern.

Polls just show that much of the electorate has a zero attention span and demands instant gratification like a toddler. In this behaviour they are ably abetted by the press. These demands started pretty much on day 1...

Of course it would help if the government made more noise about the good things they have put in place to date.

Greenwitchart · 05/11/2025 21:31

I think the prison service is yet another public service that is on its knees because of lack of investment and not enough staff so it is no surprise that everything is falling apart and that mistakes are being made.

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 21:25

LadyKenya · 05/11/2025 21:00

Really? I don't agree with your statement.

There’s high disapproval ratings for Starmer and polling for Labour that drops each week so it’s easy to discern.

TheNuthatch · 05/11/2025 21:24

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/11/2025 20:48

It's nothing to do with immigration though. It happens every day but those individuals clearly aren't newsworthy because they're not all asylum seekers.

You don't think high levels of immigration has an impact? We have thousands of foreign nationals being housed in an already overcrowded prison estate.
This man has committed previous sexual offenses and shouldn't even be in the UK. We shouldn't be at risk from this person. Of course its newsworthy.

Havanananana · 05/11/2025 21:19

@WildLimePoet

"The fact that we are hearing about this again and again tells us that,
This happens all the time
Foreign national offenders are over represented in crime statistics
Immigration is out of control..."

Except you're wrong:

UK Prison Statistics Reveal Surprising Imbalance: Foreign Nationals Underrepresented in England and Wales Jails [Source - Britbrief.co.uk]

pointythings · 05/11/2025 21:13

WildLimePoet · 05/11/2025 19:11

An overstayer since 2020, still here, and he was a sex offender to boot. You could not make this shit up.

But of course, the far left Marxist fans of open borders don’t mind.

Right, so there were 4 years in which he could have been deported and wasn't - and yet it's all Labour's fault?

IAmTheLogLady · 05/11/2025 21:10

BluntPlumHam · 05/11/2025 21:09

I was waiting to see how long for a thread to crop about this. You people are so quick …

However I still await a thread for the Algerian hero Zitouni who is in critical condition having saved a lot of lives on the Huntingdon train incident. Ideally every raging racist should be apologising right now for starting those horrendous threads about immigrants and foreigners.

I also await a thread (since op is super outraged about this sex offender) about your outrage regarding the 17/18 year old who recently raped young children in a nursery.

Oh and you forgot to include William Smith who was also released accidentally.

Op, if you want a decent prison system then start campaigning for it instead dog whistling in behalf of parties that will make it much worse.

Bravo 👏

BluntPlumHam · 05/11/2025 21:09

I was waiting to see how long for a thread to crop about this. You people are so quick …

However I still await a thread for the Algerian hero Zitouni who is in critical condition having saved a lot of lives on the Huntingdon train incident. Ideally every raging racist should be apologising right now for starting those horrendous threads about immigrants and foreigners.

I also await a thread (since op is super outraged about this sex offender) about your outrage regarding the 17/18 year old who recently raped young children in a nursery.

Oh and you forgot to include William Smith who was also released accidentally.

Op, if you want a decent prison system then start campaigning for it instead dog whistling in behalf of parties that will make it much worse.

LadyKenya · 05/11/2025 21:04

WildLimePoet · 05/11/2025 19:11

An overstayer since 2020, still here, and he was a sex offender to boot. You could not make this shit up.

But of course, the far left Marxist fans of open borders don’t mind.

Got anything to say about the British prisoner, that was wrongly released, as well OP?

LadyKenya · 05/11/2025 21:00

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 18:49

Do you still think Labour are doing well? Why?

There’s hardly anyone who thinks this.

Really? I don't agree with your statement.

LizzieSiddal · 05/11/2025 20:59

Obeseandashamed · 05/11/2025 20:52

This happens all the time. Unfortunately only the foreign nationals seem to make the news.

I know, I can’t work out why!! It’s
such a mystery.