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20yo DD was home alone- 2 Proovia delivery came into house and stood over her until she transferred £60 into their own bank account- raging at response

258 replies

fanothetan · 05/11/2025 15:24

Delivery came significantly earlier than agreed, and these men were angry that I had not answered the phone. I work in CAMHS and never take my phone into clinics- . beside the point anyway, I had no reason to think I needed to.
DD knew nothing about the delivery so totally blindsided by how they were behaving. From their demeanour she assumed I had messed up. They brought the item upstairs (I’m third floor) came into the hall and demanded £60 because they had been paid to deliver to the first floor. True, but would not have been an issue if the delivery has arrived at the agreed time. They stood over her while she transferred it on her phone. Understandably she felt scared and did not argue with them, which was the right thing to do.
The response feels like a parody. I phoned and repeatedly ‘corrected’ with variations on ‘your adult daughter’ ‘yes, but she is an adult’. The initial reply to an email was a bald ‘the transaction was cancelled by you’. This was untrue and anyway are either of these responses the point?
After providing evidence and much to-ing and fro-ing there’s no dispute this happened and they say the driver no longe works for them. Having said they would refund the money, they are now saying they won’t, and asking why it’s taken so long to request a refund. Now it’s only £60 and hones, I honestly could not care less, but it speaks volumes and makes me extremely skeptical that any action was taken by them to address this.
The question is can I do anything? I have one of their full names from the bank transfer and their phone number from the repeated phone calls. Taking it to the police seems trivial if it’s about £60 but it’s not, it’s about grown men intimidating a 20 year old girl in her own home. It’s about an employer who clearly give no fucks at all about this and is happy to prevaricate and hand out platitudes rather than respond appropriately.

AIBU to not just suck it up and accept this is how things are? Or should I post the entire email thread which would be hilarious were it not so totally enraging? If there is a constructive way to get this addressed I might be spared an ulcer.

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fanothetan · 05/11/2025 20:19

I honestly thought that the company would reimburse the money as much through embarrassment as anything once the company established what happened. They are quite happy to acknowledge what happened but seem entirely unconcerned, and as they can’t reclaim the money back from the driver, they won’t refund it.

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Getbackinyourlane12 · 05/11/2025 20:17

People are wild on munsnet 🤣

2 men intimidate a girl to pay money in to their personal bank account not company account if by the company.

” it’s her fault “
“ it’s your fault “

IcingOnTheTop · 05/11/2025 20:16

Report it to the police but when you transfer money there’s not much anyone can do. Imagine if banks cancelled transfers based on you saying you didn’t want to do it. People would be doing all sorts to defraud the banks.

MeridianB · 05/11/2025 20:15

It’s theft, plain and simple. No way would I be letting it go.

Kellogs4 · 05/11/2025 20:12

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fanothetan · 05/11/2025 20:11

SilverPink · 05/11/2025 16:03

I would report it to the police anyway for the intimidation angle. Also, surely it’s fraud if she was made to transfer into their own personal bank account rather than the company one? Police may not do anything but it will go on record in case they do anything like this again.

this is what I was thinking- at least the individual would be flagged?

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fanothetan · 05/11/2025 20:09

RubySquid · 05/11/2025 15:59

Hmm why would your daughter accept and pay towards a delivery that wasn't for her and she wasn't expecting? Doesnt make sense. Why wouldn't she just shut the door on them

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because they brought the item into the hall and she was now in the house alone with them. She was too scared to say no.

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fanothetan · 05/11/2025 20:07

They brought the item into the hall then made her transfer the money. She was home alone so too scared the ask them to leave/ refuse.

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Falseknock · 05/11/2025 20:03

DierdreDaphne · 05/11/2025 19:58

Gosh the hard of thinking are out in force tonight!

The delivery men should have done that rather than bullying £60 from a young woman. They should have said we can't go no further. People will try it.

BruFord · 05/11/2025 20:01

DierdreDaphne · 05/11/2025 19:58

Gosh the hard of thinking are out in force tonight!

@DierdreDaphne ? Not sure why you think that’s a daft question.

Falseknock · 05/11/2025 20:00

CarlaLemarchant · 05/11/2025 17:17

I love that this has been demonstrated on the very first page 🤣

I peak at the front door if someone knocks to see who's there. Unless it's the postman or delivery driver I ain't opening the door.

DierdreDaphne · 05/11/2025 19:58

BallerinaRadio · 05/11/2025 18:13

I don't understand why she didn't just tell them to leave it on the first floor if that's where you'd paid to have it delivered to

Gosh the hard of thinking are out in force tonight!

Kibble19 · 05/11/2025 19:57

So you knew a delivery was coming for a large item, but made yourself unavailable to take a call from the company on the day, when everyone on the planet knows that any large item delivery will include a call beforehand?

That would be fine if you had told your daughter that this item is coming, that there’s a bill to be paid and to pay it for you if they show up. But you didn’t do that either.

I’m not sure how they behaved in the house, or whether they were being dicks to her, but this whole carry on didn’t need to happen.

BuffButlerBumfight · 05/11/2025 19:29

@malmi Oops, I stand corrected.

Roodleflip · 05/11/2025 19:12

How long ago did this happen op?

Aluna · 05/11/2025 19:09

CarlaLemarchant · 05/11/2025 17:17

I love that this has been demonstrated on the very first page 🤣

Right.

80smonster · 05/11/2025 18:59

So you didn’t book the delivery to 3rd floor? Which is where it needed to go? They arrived earlier than expected and you weren’t there to pay them? Correct? I’ve used Provia without issue, they usually ask you to pay balance the day before by transfer, so most of these issues seem created by you. You sound like a chancer to me.

BruFord · 05/11/2025 18:38

Of course demanding £60 in an intimidating way was appalling and it should be refunded. Personally, I’d tip someone who carried an item upstairs to the third floor, but it’s absolutely my choice how much.

To clarify your OP as it’s not entirely clear. You live in a third floor flat and deliveries are typically left on the first floor? How did the delivery people get in and why did they come up to the third floor if deliveries are normally left downstairs?

If your DD told them to come upstairs, please impress on her never to do this again, it’s a huge safety risk.

@ItsmeMargo Good idea to speak to Trading Standards.

ItsmeMargo · 05/11/2025 18:38

BallerinaRadio · 05/11/2025 18:13

I don't understand why she didn't just tell them to leave it on the first floor if that's where you'd paid to have it delivered to

Daughter didn’t know about the delivery. All it takes is for them to say, do you want upstairs? She says, yes please… And then they intimidate her into paying extra. I bet they didn’t tell her beforehand that they would be demanding £60.

ItsmeMargo · 05/11/2025 18:35

Oh OP that’s awful. Your poor DD. I remember how I was at 20, and I would’ve done exactly the same. TBF, if there were two men standing over me demanding 60 quid right now, I’d still probably do what she did.

I’ve bought things from companies who will deliver to ground floor, but then will charge extra for taking items further upstairs… But I’m aware of the costs beforehand and I’m always here to accept the delivery. Your daughter was blindsided, as you say.

I’ve no idea of the legalities of what happened. Would you be able to speak to trading standards, or the police on 101? I’ve spoken to ourselves local council trading standards department before and they were very helpful. Hope you manage to get somewhere with this, as I’m sure your daughter isn’t the only one to have experienced this. Anyone vulnerable – young women, old people - are easy targets for two men.

Panola · 05/11/2025 18:29

MaurineWayBack · 05/11/2025 16:28

What about the fact it was a lonely woman facing two angry, thereatening men. Taller than her and clearly stronger too (just from the fact they delivered whatever it was, but not a light item, to the 3rd floor.

You don’t think it’s pretty normal to be frightened and accept to pay fur your own safety?
Because I’m pretty sure that if tge dd had told them NO and they had got physical, that’s EXACTLY what most people would say. Safety first, it’s only £60, not worth putting yourself at risk.

I agree

malmi · 05/11/2025 18:28

CarlaLemarchant · 05/11/2025 17:17

I love that this has been demonstrated on the very first page 🤣

Presumably OP was planning to be at home to lift the item up to the third floor themselves. As implied in OP.

Well unfortunately delivery times are not guaranteed and OP did not brief the daughter to insist item be delivered only to first floor so it’s all done now. Better comms next time.

malmi · 05/11/2025 18:25

BuffButlerBumfight · 05/11/2025 17:20

She doesn't live on the third floor, there are (at least) three floors within the house. The delivery men carried the items upstairs inside the house.

That’s not what OP says. She says “I’m third floor” and describes the men carrying the item up and then entering the hall.

Plainjanespaghetti · 05/11/2025 18:24

I would report to trading standards too.

BallerinaRadio · 05/11/2025 18:13

I don't understand why she didn't just tell them to leave it on the first floor if that's where you'd paid to have it delivered to