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20yo DD was home alone- 2 Proovia delivery came into house and stood over her until she transferred £60 into their own bank account- raging at response

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fanothetan · 05/11/2025 15:24

Delivery came significantly earlier than agreed, and these men were angry that I had not answered the phone. I work in CAMHS and never take my phone into clinics- . beside the point anyway, I had no reason to think I needed to.
DD knew nothing about the delivery so totally blindsided by how they were behaving. From their demeanour she assumed I had messed up. They brought the item upstairs (I’m third floor) came into the hall and demanded £60 because they had been paid to deliver to the first floor. True, but would not have been an issue if the delivery has arrived at the agreed time. They stood over her while she transferred it on her phone. Understandably she felt scared and did not argue with them, which was the right thing to do.
The response feels like a parody. I phoned and repeatedly ‘corrected’ with variations on ‘your adult daughter’ ‘yes, but she is an adult’. The initial reply to an email was a bald ‘the transaction was cancelled by you’. This was untrue and anyway are either of these responses the point?
After providing evidence and much to-ing and fro-ing there’s no dispute this happened and they say the driver no longe works for them. Having said they would refund the money, they are now saying they won’t, and asking why it’s taken so long to request a refund. Now it’s only £60 and hones, I honestly could not care less, but it speaks volumes and makes me extremely skeptical that any action was taken by them to address this.
The question is can I do anything? I have one of their full names from the bank transfer and their phone number from the repeated phone calls. Taking it to the police seems trivial if it’s about £60 but it’s not, it’s about grown men intimidating a 20 year old girl in her own home. It’s about an employer who clearly give no fucks at all about this and is happy to prevaricate and hand out platitudes rather than respond appropriately.

AIBU to not just suck it up and accept this is how things are? Or should I post the entire email thread which would be hilarious were it not so totally enraging? If there is a constructive way to get this addressed I might be spared an ulcer.

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SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 20:35

malmi · 06/11/2025 20:17

But she did owe them £60, which OP agreed to when booking the delivery. To be paid to the delivery staff. The fact that she’s a woman and they were men doesn’t change the amount owing. Or the fact that OP didn’t tell her daughter about it. From the delivery person’s POV they are going to get annoyed when people try to dodge paying them the agreed fee. I’m not sure how else this could have played out really.

No.
Delivery was to ground floor at a time op would be there to come down and get it. That didn't incur a fee.
They called her, she didn't reply, they said they'd rearrange, she didn't reply.
They turned up and hour early, carried it upstairs (different to order request) and then oh and that's now £60 cos we carried it upstairs.

malmi · 06/11/2025 20:17

ForegoneConfusion · 06/11/2025 14:15

I don't know why the OP and her daughter are getting a hard time here.

There's a knock at the door. DD answers door and finds two delivery men, with a delivery for her mum. She tells them to bring it up. They do. She is then alone inside the house with two men, one of whom says that she now owes them £60 and must pay straight away.

Of course that is intimidating, and not okay!

But she did owe them £60, which OP agreed to when booking the delivery. To be paid to the delivery staff. The fact that she’s a woman and they were men doesn’t change the amount owing. Or the fact that OP didn’t tell her daughter about it. From the delivery person’s POV they are going to get annoyed when people try to dodge paying them the agreed fee. I’m not sure how else this could have played out really.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 20:04

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 06/11/2025 18:42

So, if someone scams an elderly person, it's okay because they are over 18?

Wow, I really had no idea that it is okay to threaten, intimidate, extort and coerce people into giving you money as long as you are over 18.

The "things" MNers think is okay just boggles the mind.

Edited

Yup. And according to some, they should blame their parents for not raising to deal with every possible thing that might arise in life even when they're outnumbered, isolated and less powerful.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 20:03

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 17:07

Because of the fact OP has said her daughter wouldn't have reacted well at being asked to take the delivery

OP's own words

So she wouldn't have appreciated being asked to make sure she stayed home on an evening so is sure to be a liar who's trying to get innocent hard working staff into trouble just to cause trouble? What sort of people do you hang out with?

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 06/11/2025 18:42

BauhausOfEliott · 05/11/2025 20:25

I’m sorry, but your daughter is A GROWN WOMAN. Stop infantilising her.

If you want to quibble the delivery charge, fine. Do that. But it’s completely irrelevant that she’s 20 and I’m not surprised the company are pointing out to you that she’s an adult, because she is. It doesn’t matter whether she’s 20, 30 or 40. She’s not a child.

So, if someone scams an elderly person, it's okay because they are over 18?

Wow, I really had no idea that it is okay to threaten, intimidate, extort and coerce people into giving you money as long as you are over 18.

The "things" MNers think is okay just boggles the mind.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/11/2025 17:12

@fanothetan - I have skimmed through your posts on here, and I am horrified at what happened to your dd, and by the attitude of the delivery company. What their employees did was extortion - they scared your dd into giving them £60. In your position, I think I would be going straight to the police.

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 17:07

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 16:02

So she's no longer a competent adult who could have handled this better, she's a stroppy immature one who's lying to make Mom feel bad and you know all this because? I mean Op might not even have a 20 year old daughter. She might have a 30 year old son but she's exaggerating for sympathy. Who even knows if it's even a table. Maybe it was a 5 piece suite and a king size bed and she's downplaying the size. What is even the point of commenting if your base assumption is that it must be a woman lying, not a man being a dick because men obviously would never do that?

Because of the fact OP has said her daughter wouldn't have reacted well at being asked to take the delivery

OP's own words

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 17:04

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:49

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind Really? is this where we are? you have actually taken the time to mine my old posts and this is the best you can come up with? What possible relevance does this have? If this is meant to be a smoking gun because it’s a pretty poor one.I’m actually pretty chuffed I’ve not said worse, I certainly have IRL. Often.

It would be a rare parent of a young adult who has not said this at some point. And FYI….I have 2 daughters, both away at university

You asked why I said something, I quoted you as to why and that's weird of me?

Seriously

I bet you brought this attitude to the company and that's why they just said whatever you wanted to hear

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 17:02

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:41

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind seriously- as a response, that doesn’t wash. Why are you unable to answer anything that I have asked? These are perfectly logical questions that will give some insight into why you are saying what you are saying.

At the moment none of this makes sense, it just sounds deranged. And to save you the trouble of posting let’s take ‘no you sound deranged’ as assumed to save you the trouble of posting.

I don't sound deranged but again, you do you

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 16:10

idkbroidk · 06/11/2025 14:16

i dont think she should be allowed home alone. no offense

You don't think a 20 yo woman should be home alone because the delivery men turned up angry and intimidating? So again, it's the woman's fault for a man's behaviour.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 16:08

ThatKeenShaker · 06/11/2025 12:57

Do you think that's what I wrote? Did you read it, or is that how you interpreted it?

Well that's what I'm asking. You're blaming parental failure on ops daughter not handling this situation properly, this exonerating the mens behaviour because the daughter should have controlled the situation better. So is this just in this situation or is every instance where a man is aggressive to a woman?

SleepingStandingUp · 06/11/2025 16:02

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 12:21

But we are not hearing from the woman who WAS there

We are hearing from a mother who's angry on behalf of her daughter

A daughter who apparently wouldn't have been happy being asked to take the parcel in if she'd known so could well be pissed off that her mother didn't warn her and that she had to pay so is exaggerating slightly

If someone is owed money legitimately, they are going to stand there and wait for it to be paid. Do you think shop staff are standing over you when they wait for you to pay or is that intimidating too?

So she's no longer a competent adult who could have handled this better, she's a stroppy immature one who's lying to make Mom feel bad and you know all this because? I mean Op might not even have a 20 year old daughter. She might have a 30 year old son but she's exaggerating for sympathy. Who even knows if it's even a table. Maybe it was a 5 piece suite and a king size bed and she's downplaying the size. What is even the point of commenting if your base assumption is that it must be a woman lying, not a man being a dick because men obviously would never do that?

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 15:04

@99bottlesofkombucha I salute your artistry! This is EXACTLY what happened. 😂 She also shouted ‘don’t let the door hit your arse on way out!’ down the street as they departed.

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ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 06/11/2025 14:53

RubySquid · 05/11/2025 15:59

Hmm why would your daughter accept and pay towards a delivery that wasn't for her and she wasn't expecting? Doesnt make sense. Why wouldn't she just shut the door on them

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I expect someone has already called you out for your ridiculous comment, but I’m going to do it too. Most people think of the panic response as fight or flight, but there’s actually four options: fight, flight, freeze or fawn. The other three are fairly self explanatory, fawn is where you placate the threat in the hope that it doesn’t hurt you too much or goes away. One of the best publicised examples being the rape vicim who goes along with it. OP’s daughter was intimidated and panicked. As to why she didn’t do whatever you being so clever and rational and calm under pressure would have done, it is because the panic response comes from the amygdala (cave man survival part of the brain), which send signals that actually block the frontal cortex (rational common sense bit of the brain) and prevent it from controlling things. Basically the survival instinct kicks in and your capacity for rational thought goes out the window. OP’s daughter felt intimidated and scared and she went into panic mode, so she did what she had to do to placate the threat, ie gave into their demands so that they would leave her alone.

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:49

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind Really? is this where we are? you have actually taken the time to mine my old posts and this is the best you can come up with? What possible relevance does this have? If this is meant to be a smoking gun because it’s a pretty poor one.I’m actually pretty chuffed I’ve not said worse, I certainly have IRL. Often.

It would be a rare parent of a young adult who has not said this at some point. And FYI….I have 2 daughters, both away at university

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fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:41

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind seriously- as a response, that doesn’t wash. Why are you unable to answer anything that I have asked? These are perfectly logical questions that will give some insight into why you are saying what you are saying.

At the moment none of this makes sense, it just sounds deranged. And to save you the trouble of posting let’s take ‘no you sound deranged’ as assumed to save you the trouble of posting.

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pottylolly · 06/11/2025 14:40

Complain to the retailer.

Complain to the delivery company - not via customer service but find the UK based CEO and contact them.

Threaten to tell the media unless they compensate you. It is utterly disgusting

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 14:28

She treats the house like a hotel

You're own words, OP, which is where I got "swanning in and out" from

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/11/2025 14:23

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:03

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind in whose universe does finishing up a degree while also doing graduate interviews equate to ‘swanning in and out’? Maybe you can offer some context about your own career to help me to understand why this seems so trivial to you? Genuinely interested, it must be awesome.

Your use of ‘mummy’ is weird- there’s some kind of odd, creepy projection happening with here. Can you clarify exactly what you are trying to imply here? it’s far from clear. Very odd behaviour to accuse others of making you all sad then to make these type of comments about my daughter. Not very well thought through at all in terms of credibility. It might be helpful for you take a bit of time to reflect on where these feelings come from.

And I have never referred to DD as a child here. I honestly don’t knowAgain some very strange assumption that has been made.

You're the one making strange assumptions but okay

ForegoneConfusion · 06/11/2025 14:18

idkbroidk · 06/11/2025 14:16

i dont think she should be allowed home alone. no offense

So two delivery men behave badly, but the real problem is actually the young woman who was on the receiving end of their behaviour. Really?

idkbroidk · 06/11/2025 14:16

i dont think she should be allowed home alone. no offense

ForegoneConfusion · 06/11/2025 14:15

I don't know why the OP and her daughter are getting a hard time here.

There's a knock at the door. DD answers door and finds two delivery men, with a delivery for her mum. She tells them to bring it up. They do. She is then alone inside the house with two men, one of whom says that she now owes them £60 and must pay straight away.

Of course that is intimidating, and not okay!

fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:07

@ThatKeenShaker I have never described her as a child

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fanothetan · 06/11/2025 14:03

@BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind in whose universe does finishing up a degree while also doing graduate interviews equate to ‘swanning in and out’? Maybe you can offer some context about your own career to help me to understand why this seems so trivial to you? Genuinely interested, it must be awesome.

Your use of ‘mummy’ is weird- there’s some kind of odd, creepy projection happening with here. Can you clarify exactly what you are trying to imply here? it’s far from clear. Very odd behaviour to accuse others of making you all sad then to make these type of comments about my daughter. Not very well thought through at all in terms of credibility. It might be helpful for you take a bit of time to reflect on where these feelings come from.

And I have never referred to DD as a child here. I honestly don’t knowAgain some very strange assumption that has been made.

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fanothetan · 06/11/2025 13:31

for context. dd started uni at 17 and has lived away from home since apart from holidays. She’s home intermittently for graduate interviews at the moment, but was living independently younger than most of her peers.

Definitely not low expectations in terms of autonomy.

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