‘Just the meat for me please’ Sunday Lunch issue ’

Re bowel cancer and meat
The research is done on total meat consumption. It is not nuanced at all.
Something like 48% of meat in the US is ultra processed - so in burgers, fast food, preserved meats etc
This is very different from unprocessed meat.

Research I believe is ongoing

My bowels are fine thanks as I eat so much veg

Vanity is an interesting one.
Buying make up, buying stylish clothes, how to dress to disguise various problems with shape - all fine on MN.
Going to the gym and the way of eating that goes with it - a no no

Surely shouldn't it be everything in moderation. If you are mainly eating a carnivore diet, it might help with muscle mass, but surely it has a detrimental impact on your bowels (and anyone else around you, wouldn't want to use the staff loo after you!) and lead to different health issues.

Is the vanity aspect how well he does in the competition perhaps?

He just wants a big plate of meat? How bloody boring.

Foul bowels now, and a likely future of bowel cancer.

Vanity is an interesting word to use in this context. It might be vanity, sure, but it doesn't automatically follow. DS has a high protein, low carb diet in order to give him the explosive power he needs to competes in Hyrox events - he doesn't do it to look good or impress anyone else, he does it because he finds it enormously beneficial to both his physical and mental health. Many other people could tell similar stories.

As I said upthread he does eat loads of veg and in the circumstances described by the OP he would eat what he was given because he has manners and isn't a dick. But a generalised assumption that anyone wanting to build muscle mass is de facto vain is cliched and out of date.

And he must absolutely stink the toilet out when he has a poo.

Sounds like keto if eating avocado and mayo. I don’t see why keto more faddy than veganism.

Either way I eat a lot of protein for health reasons (to build muscle & as fat gives me indigestion). Not sure others motivation is relevant.

Having compassion for other living beings is a "spurious" reason to be vegetarian? And that is somehow equal with eating a carnivore diet? Ridiculous.

the real question is how many ovens do you have!! This is the set up I need in my future 😂

Well said.
There's recognising the importance of protein and then there's worshipping meat.

I recognise the importance of protein (and weight training) for middle aged women and I try to eat 120g of protein a day and stick to my macros but I wouldn't specify that I ate a plate of meat if I went to someone else's for lunch.

And my protein isn't just made up of meat either - this young man could eat greek yoghurt, cottage cheese or eggs if he really needs to eat just protein.

Ok, mostly vanity with a few exceptions. Happy now? I'm glad you've been able to make positive changes, but the thousands of protein mad folk on IG are just vain (and often getting mummy and daddy to pay for the tons of meat they chow down on).

I personally became preoccupied with this after being hit by a car and being unable to walk for 8 months. I had been doing strength training before the accident.

I lost all the shape in my thighs as I lost muscle. I started looking in to building muscle more seriously with the aim of regaining my leg strength.

It has taken me close on 3 years of gym going to build my thigh strength to what is was before the accident. It had to be slow because with the muscle loss, my knees became less stable and I had to increase the load slowly due to this.

Yeah, so not all vanity

Eating good quality protein as part of a balanced diet, not only eating vast quantities of meat and little else.

As for Ms Lyons, if that inspires you, crack on.

Sure. This man can eat as much daily protein as he likes. Top up earlier or later in the day if it's important to him. He doesn't have to demand OP caters to this for a single meal. That is where it becomes rude. The poor lamb, sorry, big strong man, is unlikely to pass out if he has the same meat portion as the ten other people at the table.

Maybe the health reasons for a higher protein diet should be thought of too.
Gabrielle Lyons is very strong on this point. As she says, muscle is the organ of longevity.

Muscle protects against so many of the everyday ills of aging.

As we get older, the body's ability to absorb protein declines so more protein is required to maintain muscle.

The 45g often cited is merely the amount for young men not to become deficient. Not the amount for optimum health in an older person.

My mother was hunched and had osteoporosis by the time she was my current age. I'll stand a decent chance of being able to get up if I fall when I'm older hopefully.

I did a CPR course. Half of the healthcare workers there (much younger than I am) said they had to resuscitate the dummy on the table as they said that they would find it hard to get up from the floor. That is of more concern than taking muscle seriously and eating accordingly.

It's vanity if you're obsessed with 'building muscle mass'.

Veganism can be semi-religious in terms of seeing it as benefiting the planet. So there is an element of trying to help others and political beliefs that should be respected. Frankly I think it's actually a load of bollocks but I'll cater to it.

Carnivorism doesn't have this element. It's pure vanity bullshit based on pseudo science.

I don't think they are comparable for this reason.

Hmm it's very interesting how MN considers veganism completely acceptable as a diet and often insists on its healthiness but meat, vegetables and milk is considered eating disorder. I acknowledge the cost difference.

@WithIcePlease I wouldn’t say that’s the collective view of Mumsnet. I’ve seen plenty of posters criticise veganism or vegan diets (for context, I’m not vegan myself and don’t have particularly strong views about it, unless it’s being imposed on a child or pet).

I think the difference is that many people choose veganism for ethical reasons, as they believe eating animal products is wrong. There are probably cases where veganism is used to disguise an ED, but there’s also a “greater good” argument for veganism that doesn’t apply to all restrictive diets.

I’m not sure there’s an easy answer. Whether a restrictive diet is healthy or not also depends on the motivation behind it.

Wanting to build and maintain muscle mass as you age is hardly vanity. Muscle loss is a big problem, especially for women as they age. If you aren’t doing something about it from mid thirties onwards you probably should look into it.

You have the same protein requirements as the next person though, you're choosing to eat more because of vanity. That's your choice of course, but it is incredibly dull to anyone not following the same vanity path.

Hmm it's very interesting how MN considers veganism completely acceptable as a diet and often insists on its healthiness but meat, vegetables and milk is considered an eating disorder. I acknowledge the cost difference.

Personally, I do not talk about my diet to others or my protein requirement and as one poster suggested it is very boring to others.
I find listening to people talk about weight reducing diets at work boring but I can't say that.

At such a meal as below I would of course eat a bit of most things and my own portion of meat. I would sort the rest of it else myself later in the day as needed if I needed more protein.

It's not unusual at all for such men to have boxes of prepared meals at home and sometimes they take those in such circumstances.

Building significant amounts of muscle is hard (easier with steroids though) and it takes months a years of consistent exercise, nutrition and sleep. It's harder for women and harder with age and it needs focus not just eating randomly and hoping for the best.