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Catkinsblossom · 05/11/2025 10:25

I'm currently SAH with a child who doesn't sleep (older than a baby, SEN needs). DC won't drop off to sleep until at least 2am and often 3 or 4 and during that time I have to go to their room every 20 mins to sort a range of health related stuff. Child only manages well with me at the moment (this is not poor parenting but an aspect of their additional needs and can't be changed right now) so I'm on duty for them. This is fine and I don't expect DH to do it.

Often when I am waking up, say half past midnight, after just having dropped off myself, and shivering my way to wake up, get a drink or sort medication, DH is sitting on the sofa still having a normal adult evening, fully dressed, having blameless leisure time. I see it as I go past like a little window into another world. He's not doing anything crazy, just watching TV, unwinding after a long day at work. He might come up to bed at 1.30 then read for half an hour.

In the morning the other child need to be up at 7 and given a lift at 8. DH can help the other kid get up and get to school, but all things being equal I usually do the lift. We have both just agreed that we need to encourage other kid to walk. So that's one solution where he could do more in the morning, and so could our other DC, giving me another hour of rest, but this seems a bit unfair to me as he has to get himself to work too and it isn't DCs fault that his sibling has additional needs.

My AIBU though, is that DH feels very nagged and put upon if I ever ask him to go to bed early so he is less tired in the morning and to give us more flex. At the moment, I wake up in the morning, calculate which of us I think is tiredest, if I think it's me I ask him to get up and sort other DC. By which time I am wide awake, feel some mental load, and also feel bad about asking him to get up. He isn't at all.grumpy but often looks exhausted and invariably complains how hard mornings are. I feel like I have to work out if it's reasonable to ask him, every day.

He would never say no or be grumpy about doing it!! And I should probably just ignore the fact he looks so tired.

My AIBU is about my own mood - aibu to feel really, really angry that he doesn't go to bed earlier? I feel murderous when I see him "squandering" sleeping time I don't get to enjoy. I think I am being a huge dog in the manger and if he can't improve my sleep, I shouldn't care if he is awake. Also, he pulls his weight, so it is patronising of me to try and police how tired he is - if he wants to stay up late then be tired that's up to him.

I also sometimes (not every day but maybe once per week after a very bad night) get a morning nap if DC also sleeps. So I am maximising my sleep so the family works, and he is working to help us all, so I am.missing out on less sleep than if I had to go to work.

This isnt gonna turn into one of the threads with a drip feed that the DH is horribly abusive- we communicate well and I'm mostly trying to work out for myself where thiis horrible anger comes from in me. I suspect it might not be about him at all but about my poor kid who can't lead a normal life.

I would like to know if I ABU so I can work on myself if so, or find a good honest way to talk to DH if not, and if you all think I have a point. Thanks vipers x

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PostIndustrialSandwich · 06/11/2025 08:36

What stands out to me here is you waking up in the morning and doing a quick evaluation of who’s the most tired and then that dictates who does what. You should agree who’s doing what in advance, and then if your DH has made himself tired by staying up that’s completely up to him and the only person affected is him.

A side point is also the unreasonable mental load on you of a tiredness assessment of 2 adults the moment you wake! Get rid of this awful way to start to the day.

im realising I took so much huge mental load of everything in my marriage such that it drove me to actaul insanity

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 07/11/2025 20:41

I think have a rota for mornings whatever feels a fair split. I totally get you want to do some mornings with other dc but I don't think you're maximising the opportunities to rest, it's inefficient for you to wake up, decide it's him, then try and get back to sleep whilst (I'm guessing) silently seething at him not approaching it the way you wish he would.
You definitely can't tell a grown man when to go to bed, he obviously gets something from his behaviour/bedtime and I get it, I'm a night owl and like to zone out whilst the house is quiet. I do however, neck a coffee and get on with packed lunches and school runs even if I've been up a lot.
Caring is very very hard, it sounds like you're both actually doing an amazing job of maintaining a good relationship and being a great team for your dc. Maybe also celebrate the fact this irritation is actually relatively minor/mild, that's an achievement. Then plan a morning rota, so he knows the days he'll be up early, and so do you. You'll need to accept that on those mornings there won't be huge energy, he'll do it differently, but he will do it. Take those mornings to rest and then you can approach your mornings your way, and your husband can catch up on sleep. The best advice I ever had, was if you delegate a job to someone, they will do it their way, so long as the end result is achieved you can't micromanage the approach. No, your husband doesn't infect the house with energy the way you would, but maybe, in his "I hate mornings" moments, your other dc will open up about things they hate and want to share, or, maybe, they'll choose to do something independent to help out - people do things differently, it feels wrong when you see something different to your style, but diversity is strength!

Gazelda · 07/11/2025 17:31

This sounds hard OP. But you both sound like a strong team, albeit there’s an imbalance at the moment.

from what I’m reading, you resent him not sleeping when he has the opportunity to. And you want your non-disabled sibling to have the attention from you that he/she deserves. You sleep and rest when you can.

i firmly believe that a fair and manageable routine helps family life no end. But it must also have flexibility. It seems as though his bed time and the family’s morning has no set routine so you are constantly uncertain of what the morning is going to look like.

can you suggest that you try a fixed morning routine for a while. If he does set days, you can wake and then have that glorious feeling of not having to get up straight away. And on ‘your’ days, you can plan a lovely morning with your DC which might include a special breakfast, walk to school, time spent plaiting their hair, stop off at bakery on way to school, lovely packed lunch, whatever floats your boat. But it’s more difficult to plan any of that if you don’t know if you’re on school run duty.

his decision whether or not to go to bed earlier. Wouldn’t it be nice if he came to bed with you from time to time? He could read, cuddle or sleep. Being together is so important.

Koalatea13 · 07/11/2025 17:09

If you're up late with one child then your husband should get up and sort out the other child and get them to school on his way to work in my opinion. Your sleep is important too. Totally not unreasonable. I'd be angry too

nutbrownhare15 · 06/11/2025 11:28

You do all the night wakes for one child. DH should be in charge of getting the other child to school. You need the rest. His sleep pattern is up to him so if he's tired it's up to him to sort that out.

Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 11:02

Thank you. The thing is, he does see the principle that resources are shared, but he simply values the resource of sleep - for all of us, actually - far lower than I do. I think us all being in bed and asleep at midnight during the week is a reasonable ask, and making sure we work through the evening to facilitate the one DC who does sleep getting to bed at, say, 10, is something we should prioritise. He feels we can be more relaxed and feels the strictness causes more problems than being a bit later to bed. I think sleep is the main thing after food we should prioritise for our DC. He is naturally more flexible here.

I think he's taking a more holistic view of our family mental health and thinking downtime and relaxed approaches are also important.

He is really aware of the idea that if he takes more of a resource, I get less - his point with this one is ...
a) yes, he could get me more sleep by doing morning with other DC but I don't want that, and I tend to wake up anyway, he gets up to do anything required so I shouldn't
be angry with him, there's nothing he is refusing to do.
b) I could make other DC walk to school each day which he thinks would help me - I don't agree as I think other DC needs evidence that I prioritise them given everything going on with their sibling.
b) his being awake at night doesn't reduce my rest as I am up anyway in the night and it's up to him.if he chooses to reduce his own rest.

Im just really aware I can write it to make him sound like a proper dick - when the truth is, I am huffing around at night feeling angry for no real reason and he is feeling defensive as I am being mean. It is at the point where if he says he is tired I feel so irrationally angry.

But theres something that isn't working and I am upset every day. I am appreciating this opportunity to think through what the underlying issues might be.

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guinnessguzzler · 06/11/2025 10:26

Yes, sorry OP, I realise now you said you can carve some time out for yourself during the day and I leapt to the assumption about school. It is absolutely not unreasonable for you to expect your husband to think more about what the whole family needs and act accordingly but sadly at the moment that just doesn't seem to be his mindset. Until or unless that changes, you'll just need to be clear what you need from him as it sounds like he does respond to that. I totally get your frustration though and it is not unreasonable. It would be better if he could see that family resources (time, money, space etc) are shared and, when they are limited, then how each person uses those resources impacts on everyone else in the family but it sounds like he just doesn't see it that way.

Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 09:03

NameChange30 · 06/11/2025 08:57

"my time isn't my own in that they are usually with me and can only be left for a "pop to the shops" length of time."

Not at school, then. This is hugely relevant to your original question, because some people will assume that you get a break when your child is at school, but you don't.

Thanks - yes it's worth saying that we are not in a situation where conventional school happens from 9-3.

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Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 09:02

Peonies12 · 06/11/2025 08:55

This! Why are you deciding day by day, that's so chaotic. If you're up so much, he does everything in the morning. His decision when he goes to bed. Tell him that, and DO NOT GET UP IN THE MORNING. Or, if he doesn't like mornings (which is ridiculous when you have kids, noone likes mornings), he does his share in the late evening so you can get a block of sleep say 9pm-1am. Then you should feel more rested in the morning.

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But I dont think that's fair. He does from when he comes home from work until various bedtimes - tidying up, dinner, helping with homework, admin, whatever, obviously everything shared perfectly at weekends including lie ins for me. I have a big period of activity in mornings to get them up but usually find an hour or so in the day to relax, around other DC needs. (e.g. right now I have 9-10am to go back to bed, as DC won't be up till10. DH left at 7 and is on the train up to London).

I do the nights but I have more time in the days. That doesn't seem too much? Also that's my contribution now - we used to both work and both do same amount of family stuff, but now I don't work so my contribution at home should be higher. He still does the 50/50 he did when we were both working full time, he has kept the same contribution.

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NameChange30 · 06/11/2025 08:57

"my time isn't my own in that they are usually with me and can only be left for a "pop to the shops" length of time."

Not at school, then. This is hugely relevant to your original question, because some people will assume that you get a break when your child is at school, but you don't.

Peonies12 · 06/11/2025 08:55

PostIndustrialSandwich · 06/11/2025 08:36

What stands out to me here is you waking up in the morning and doing a quick evaluation of who’s the most tired and then that dictates who does what. You should agree who’s doing what in advance, and then if your DH has made himself tired by staying up that’s completely up to him and the only person affected is him.

A side point is also the unreasonable mental load on you of a tiredness assessment of 2 adults the moment you wake! Get rid of this awful way to start to the day.

This! Why are you deciding day by day, that's so chaotic. If you're up so much, he does everything in the morning. His decision when he goes to bed. Tell him that, and DO NOT GET UP IN THE MORNING. Or, if he doesn't like mornings (which is ridiculous when you have kids, noone likes mornings), he does his share in the late evening so you can get a block of sleep say 9pm-1am. Then you should feel more rested in the morning.

Pashazade · 06/11/2025 08:54

Can you steal 5 minutes with your husband on the sofa when it’s late. Would it help to just sit with each other and have a cuddle. Do you need to rush through to the next thing. It might make you feel less frustrated if there’s been some shared affection. Plus definitely schedule in at least one day a week where he always handles the morning stuff, that will give you a mental break on the organising everyone front.

Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 08:53

Thank you all again. DH would far prefer it that I just worked out what I needed and told him what to do (!) like, get up for the other child. The thing is, I don't want him to do the whole morning with the other child as standard. I want to see and care for other child too. What I'd like is for him to have more energy at the times of day he is most needed, and arrange his life to do that, so he can get up with energy and bring the house along with him, the way I have to do. He is just all "I don't like mornings" and I think every day well of course you don't, you haven't slept enough. I don't feel mega happy either but I have to shift my energy so I am happy and energetic at the times when it fits with the pattern of what the family needs.

Thanks also to those asking about DC and what their situation is - if you don't mind I won't go into that more, you might have to take it as read that we are across absolutely everything in terms of benefits and medical stuff. I'm not asking for ways to change the family setup, just take it as read it includes me doing things in the day to some extent for DC, and at night. It isn't a gruelling 24/7 care role, but my time isn't my own in that they are usually with me and can only be left for a "pop to the shops" length of time.

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PostIndustrialSandwich · 06/11/2025 08:36

What stands out to me here is you waking up in the morning and doing a quick evaluation of who’s the most tired and then that dictates who does what. You should agree who’s doing what in advance, and then if your DH has made himself tired by staying up that’s completely up to him and the only person affected is him.

A side point is also the unreasonable mental load on you of a tiredness assessment of 2 adults the moment you wake! Get rid of this awful way to start to the day.

NameChange30 · 06/11/2025 08:24

Does you get DLA for your child? Does your child have an EHCP? Do they attend a childcare or school setting (mainstream or specialist)?

A PP mentioned school but I wonder if the child is not at school, given that you only get the opportunity to nap when your child naps.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 06/11/2025 07:48

I think your DH needs to deal with the mornings with your other DC as standard. You shouldn’t be waking up, calculating who is most tired, and asking him. It should be default that he just gets up and does it.

guinnessguzzler · 06/11/2025 07:46

Sorry, OP, just seen you do get some 'me time' during the school day, which is definitely good. I think the rest of what I said still applies though.

guinnessguzzler · 06/11/2025 07:43

I think the fundamental problem might be that you are looking at everything from a communal / partnership / whole family approach eg assessing who can get what sleep when, recognising that you each have a part to play in ensuring the other gets what they need, whereas he is looking at it from a more individual perspective ie I feel like chilling out and getting some down time to myself so that's what I'll do. He isn't joining the dots to see that by taking that downtime he is actually taking something from you, because he is then also tired and you then try / feel the need to help him with that. In a family with stretched resources (in this case, time / opportunity for sleep), anything one person takes does impact on the other family members, but I do think many people (men?) struggle with this idea. Not to be too Marxist about it but your approach is more 'From each according to ability, to each according to need' where he is thinking about himself and you as quite separate entities.

Ultimately I think the solution is as others have suggested, set the boundary of what he must do to support you and then it is his choice whether to stay up voluntarily making himself tired. I understand the frustration that he can't see for himself that his behaviour around sleep, and not taking the opportunity to maximise it for himself, does actually impact you, but he may get there in the end. In the meantime just don't allow yourself to feel guilty; if he knows he is getting up, it is entirely his choice to make himself tired. It may be the trade off is worth it to him to feel like he gets some 'me' time. That's fine, but it shouldn't negatively impact you when you're currently getting no 'me' time or proper sleep. And ideally he needs to better understand himself and his choices as part of a family unit, but that may take a bit longer.

Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 07:38

Thank you @abbynabby23 for thinking of me. I would read this too and think "oh why doesnt the DH help". It's not that simple as it is to do with certain aspects of the needs my DC has and the way it's all presenting at the moment. If anything my DH is frustrated that he can't do more and there's little he can do to help me at night which is hard for both of us.

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Catkinsblossom · 06/11/2025 07:35

NameChange30 · 05/11/2025 20:50

"DH needs the unwinding time to be OK to carry on supporting the family"

what about you? Do you get "unwinding time"?

Yes I do. I stopped work to take care of DC so compared to the stress when we were both working, I am in a much better place. I can carve out time for myself, usually in the day, that DH can't do.

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123ZYX · 06/11/2025 06:48

edited to remove - realise you’ve already addressed this in your OP.

sorry you’re having a hard time at the moment

abbynabby23 · 06/11/2025 06:41

Catkinsblossom · 05/11/2025 10:25

I'm currently SAH with a child who doesn't sleep (older than a baby, SEN needs). DC won't drop off to sleep until at least 2am and often 3 or 4 and during that time I have to go to their room every 20 mins to sort a range of health related stuff. Child only manages well with me at the moment (this is not poor parenting but an aspect of their additional needs and can't be changed right now) so I'm on duty for them. This is fine and I don't expect DH to do it.

Often when I am waking up, say half past midnight, after just having dropped off myself, and shivering my way to wake up, get a drink or sort medication, DH is sitting on the sofa still having a normal adult evening, fully dressed, having blameless leisure time. I see it as I go past like a little window into another world. He's not doing anything crazy, just watching TV, unwinding after a long day at work. He might come up to bed at 1.30 then read for half an hour.

In the morning the other child need to be up at 7 and given a lift at 8. DH can help the other kid get up and get to school, but all things being equal I usually do the lift. We have both just agreed that we need to encourage other kid to walk. So that's one solution where he could do more in the morning, and so could our other DC, giving me another hour of rest, but this seems a bit unfair to me as he has to get himself to work too and it isn't DCs fault that his sibling has additional needs.

My AIBU though, is that DH feels very nagged and put upon if I ever ask him to go to bed early so he is less tired in the morning and to give us more flex. At the moment, I wake up in the morning, calculate which of us I think is tiredest, if I think it's me I ask him to get up and sort other DC. By which time I am wide awake, feel some mental load, and also feel bad about asking him to get up. He isn't at all.grumpy but often looks exhausted and invariably complains how hard mornings are. I feel like I have to work out if it's reasonable to ask him, every day.

He would never say no or be grumpy about doing it!! And I should probably just ignore the fact he looks so tired.

My AIBU is about my own mood - aibu to feel really, really angry that he doesn't go to bed earlier? I feel murderous when I see him "squandering" sleeping time I don't get to enjoy. I think I am being a huge dog in the manger and if he can't improve my sleep, I shouldn't care if he is awake. Also, he pulls his weight, so it is patronising of me to try and police how tired he is - if he wants to stay up late then be tired that's up to him.

I also sometimes (not every day but maybe once per week after a very bad night) get a morning nap if DC also sleeps. So I am maximising my sleep so the family works, and he is working to help us all, so I am.missing out on less sleep than if I had to go to work.

This isnt gonna turn into one of the threads with a drip feed that the DH is horribly abusive- we communicate well and I'm mostly trying to work out for myself where thiis horrible anger comes from in me. I suspect it might not be about him at all but about my poor kid who can't lead a normal life.

I would like to know if I ABU so I can work on myself if so, or find a good honest way to talk to DH if not, and if you all think I have a point. Thanks vipers x

I understand that you feel that you want to help the other DC in the mornings to make it fair for him/her. However, I don’t understand why your husband doesn’t help at night with your SEND kid. I understand that he works but at least in our family even during mat leave my partner did nightshifts with the baby and I got to sleep and vice verca during his pat leave when I got back to work. Or maybe he can help you out on Friday/Sat to give you a break and time to watch a movie or just enjoy a glass of wine in peace. I am worried if one day you are going to have a mental breakdown with such disrupted/little sleep. Make sure you take care of yourself to also be there for your other DC. And no you are not YAIBU, you are exhausted!

junebirthdaygirl · 05/11/2025 21:58

Having to ask your dh to get up is enough to make anyone murderous. He should know. So he puts on his alarm, gets up , gets kids ready and goes. Stop being so nice saying he deserves his sleep etc. He can stay up all night if he wants but he must do the first shift in the morning otherwise you will collapse. So say nothing about him going to bed but lay it down that he is on morning duty. Its madness for a father responsible for children to stay up until 1.30 and then not jump out of bed and let his exhausted wife sleep. But let him cop on to that himself.
No wonder you are angry as underneath you know the level of unfairness is unreal.

NameChange30 · 05/11/2025 20:50

"DH needs the unwinding time to be OK to carry on supporting the family"

what about you? Do you get "unwinding time"?

Catkinsblossom · 05/11/2025 17:17

Thank you for the kind messages - I was expecting to be a bit more roughly handled considering it's AIBU! I am pleased that so far it balances how I feel - I am being a bit U but there are mitigating circumstances to my U, and we could plan it all better.

And those of you who point out that DH needs the unwinding time to be OK to carry on supporting the family- well that rings true actually, and helps me get the reframe I need.

I think I am just gutted that it's so difficult, and so hard for DC, and so I am trying to control stuff because so much is out of my control.

I also second melatonin for anyone in our position who hasn't tried it yet, it is a life saver. Sadly it's not touching the sides for us right now and we're on a break...

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