17yr old boy found guilty of child abuse

Oh my god, that is horrific. I hope you are OK now.

Oh FFS, it’s one individual. Stop lumping all young men together.

Teachers?

If you want to be angry, sure, and I think parents should largely be able to choose though that's difficult with the turnover we're seeing in many caring professions.

I'm not sure it's pointed at the right place when the issue is that this nursery entirely failed basic safeguardings, and these failures seem to keep happening due to funding leading to lack of staff. No 17 year old should be 1:1 the way this boy was.

It angers me when women jump to the defence of men and throw women under the bus and say they do it too... when there is a massive difference and actually, women don't do it the way men do.

I don't view it as throwing women under the bus, but the importance that safeguarding not rely on the concept that certain people are safer due to their demographic.

Plenty of us remember when people would call clergy, medical professionals, and similar safe not only because of how hard they worked to get into their positions and so on, but because if we look solely at the stats, perpetrators convicted are overwhelmingly men of lower socio-economic status. That mindset failed many.

Yes, males are far, far more likely to do these crimes, but our safeguarding needs to not rely on females being safe. Calling girls and women safe has also repeatedly failed.

I'm one of them. It's why I always recommend to my kids to take someone with them to medical appointments, never to rely on another medical professional to be the chaperone/support (I was abused with two chaperones in the room - they helped hold me down, everyone involved was female, they laughed about how they were teaching pregnant teenage me a lesson while I was sexually assaulted and left heavily bleeding). The safeguarding there failed because they were allowed to close and lock the door of the room I was in and attached to an IV. In nursery situations, as many have said, I don't think any nursery worker should be 1:1 with children in the way this boy was and safeguarding needs to go far beyond just not having boys and men. If parents want to pick a female childminder or other carer, sure, but we can't rely just on carers being female and really, I don't think nurseries can or should rely on that either.

One female nursery worker 2 decades ago Vs four male nursery workers in the past 4 years.
When men are 3% of the workforce....

Terribly sexist but I'd assume the average 20 year old babysitting strangers for kids, the female would probably have more experience or want to do it for work experience, whereas the male would just do it for the money so I'd pick the female. And of course in there is a lurking fear of strange men, because that's how we have to be in all areas. Would I prefer a male or female taxi driver if I was totally pissed at 2am? Would I rather be followed down alley by a man or a woman?

But what about parents? Men abuse their wives and children statistically more than women do. Do you allow your husband to be alone with your children? Would you let your DB or BIL etc babysit? Do you think all men should be barred from all schools? We have a male caretaker and a male music teacher, is that an unacceptable risk for our school to take?

It's interesting that a forum that leans towards women being allowed to choose female providers, keeping males out of female prisons, and preventing males from competing in women's sports because of the risk, is populated by people happy to take on the risk of sexual assault for children.

What is it about children that doesn't inspire the same level of risk awareness?

Another one who can't understand risk....

Venessa George, Nursery worker found guilty of SA and had 124 indecent images of children in her care.
Kate Roughly a nursery worker murdered a 9month old baby in her care.
Lucy Letby, found guilty of murder and attempted murder of 14 babies.
Shall we ban women from working with babies because of these women’s actions?

I don’t think refusing to employ males should be a rule but there should be 2:1 required across all personal care tasks involving children for ALL staff - it protects children plus staff. There just isn’t enough funding to allow this.

Thats a bit harsh. When I was doing my childcare training I met lots of bright, motivated women who worked in creches and loved it, they worked there because they loved kids. Its a crying shame that the pay is so poor and they are usually understaffed and over worked.

I wouldn't have a male childminder and wouldn't be happy with a male in a creche changing my dc's nappy and I don't give a fuck if anyone has a problem with that.

There have been 3 or 4 paedophiles caught working in nurseries in the last few years, so not exactly a one off.
Paedophiles do seek out roles to access children.

Adult women are meant to have a chaperone with a male doctor for intimate examinations.

I once declined as the fewer people observing me in that state the better- the doctor insisted and said it's more for my protection than yours.

But then I had already told the doctor that I worked as a solicitor for a living. So he knew he could say that to me, as I would understand from one professional to another. So of course I agreed the chaperone and apologised.

You have to accept that different people have different views.
My feelings were also that I'd only have a child if I didn't have to send them to childcare from a young age, but that doesn't mean you're wrong for viewing it differently.

Yes even doctors. But they aren't often (ever?) unsupervised with small children are they? That wouldn't be usual at all. Please note, that I said unsupervised, not that men should never work with children.

That's very sad you feel like that. And hope you are OK. I can completely understand that people are mistrustful of men.

Obviously not all men are predators. But enough of them are to make us wary as a society of all men.
My Dad is amazing with babies and toddlers, as was my grandad. My DH is too. They are very uncreepy so my main experience is men can be good with little ones.
We have lost a close family member, to rape and murder so have not been untouched by male violence. I do try not let this cloud my judgment on all.men.

As a young adult or as a female, yes.

As a child? Being examined?

Oh look a sympathiser

Rubbish. I was alone with my male GPs loads of times.

They aren’t alone though they have to have a nurse with them.

Doctors?

You're just being deliberately obtuse, and you know, it.

So because I need to work to not lose my home and to feed my family I shouldn’t have had a child?

Do you understand how upsetting that is to read?