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To not understand the "holidays with small children is just parenting in a different place" complaints?

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LadyGreyjoy · 03/11/2025 14:42

We have an 18 month old and have just got back from a week all inclusive in Spain. Obviously we did just parent out daughter in a different place, but I don't see that as a bad thing and certainly not a reason to say there was no point in going. I love being a mum, I waited a long time for my daughter due to infertility and I've been dreaming of family holidays for years. Whilst I still had to do the parenting (which I enjoy doing anyway) I didn't have to cook, wash up or clean, the food was lovely and far better than we cook at home, I did no laundry for a week and instead of working all day and only getting two hours in the evening with my daughter a day I got to play in the pool/on the beach with her all day every day for a week. After she was asleep instead of watching TV and being too tired to do anything we sat on the balcony listening to the music from the bar and drank cocktails and chatted, real quality time with my husband I am usually too tired to enjoy.

On here there are many threads making out a holiday with small children is shit and not worth the effort and that hasn't been my experience at all. The journey there and back was a bit rough and exactly what I expected it to be like tbh. Other than that it's been bliss and I would 10/10 recommend people go and do it. I was kind of dreading it after reading all the threads here but I wish I hadn't worried about it so much now.

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Cherrytree86 · 05/11/2025 13:25

@LadyGreyjoy

why can’t your sister do both? We don’t have to give up our social life entirely when we become a parent you know!

Of course she can do both, as do I! The point was she doesn't begrudge the time doing kid stuff as she'd rather be doing her own thing instead.

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LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 13:26

Honestly @Ducklove I'm worried about you.

This kind of aggressive attack on a complete strangers life and obsession with my schedule isn't normal. You were a bully at school weren't you. Bitchy little girls never grow up.

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Cherrytree86 · 05/11/2025 13:25

LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 11:02

I'm amazed that you are criticising that sacrifice to be honest, it's part of being a good parent.

I wholeheartedly agree!! People don't moan about willingly made sacrifices though. When people moan it's because they feel hard done by or like they shouldn't have to have made the sacrifice. All the parents I admire don't begrudge the sacrifice at all, they make it gladly. As do I.

My sister is an incredible mum and when asked if she feels like she's missing out by not being able to go and do adult stuff with her friends or stay out late anymore she says no, I'd much rather be playing with my kids. She's happiest with her children so has no FOMO and doesn't feel like she is sacrificing, she is living her best life, one she is blessed to be living and many childless people want to live. I feel exactly the same way.

@LadyGreyjoy

why can’t your sister do both? We don’t have to give up our social life entirely when we become a parent you know!

LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 13:23

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Why are you so obsessed with my life?

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LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 13:22

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Yes 6-8 am is spent looking after the horses before work. Are you stalking me now!? 😂

Get a life! 😂

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LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 13:18

AQuickWord · 05/11/2025 11:27

Are you able to have the maturity, self-awareness and grace to reflect and rethink your attitude, based on some of the experiences listed here?

Didn't think you would.

Many people have answered in a reasonable way yet you still can’t reflect, and are focusing instead on giving rude retorts to a minority, where you pretend you don’t care and are finding it all ‘hilarious’ when it’s pretty obvious that that is not the case. Think you perhaps have some growing up to do. Good luck.

It is hilarious. They are frothing at the mouth with the insults! Look at them winding themselves up! Acting like nasty little schoolgirls.

Trust me, the ship for a reasonable conversation has long sailed here.

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LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 13:16

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😂

The sheer desperation to belittle is hilarious

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 05/11/2025 12:08

Five kids under ten. the majority of whom never slept.

That is why I hated holidays with children. It was all right with number one, but by the time two and three had come along there was almost always one having a tantrum or violently opposing whatever we were doing. Number four was biddable but by then the lack of sleep was making me hallucinate. Number five was born shortly before my marriage imploded totally.

It was FAR easier to stay at home.

CremeBruhlee · 05/11/2025 12:08

Wow you have got a whole lot of shit on this thread op. I do get what you are saying though as we have gone on holiday with both of ours from babies.

I think people have absolutely picked apart your every comment which is unfair.

Yes, it’s easier with one. You can trade off and have space and time when they nap and bedtimes can be hard with 2 in a shared room. Also kids that aren’t good sleepers or need routine can be harder work on holiday. Kids or babies with allergies or any SEN needs can also be a different situation. Also it can sometimes pull into focus unsupportive partners or money worries.

That said my husband and I thrive off adventure and change and experiences so the ‘top up’ of a beautiful view, playing in the pool with our kids or trying new foods are all worth a shocking plane journey or unsettled nights (and my kids have always been awful sleepers) but that’s just us. I need that in my life and the trade off for me is worth it.

After my second was born I was a little rocky from a mental health point of view and I’ll be honest that I dreaded a couple of those type of holidays. I put a lot of pressure on myself for them to be perfect and found them very hard work.

When my mental health was better and I could ‘roll with the punches’ so to speak then I’ve enjoyed every break we have been on with the kids. Even an afternoon in the room with a picnic from the buffet after being in the pool seems like a delight.

I do totally get what you are saying though as on balance without any of the individual challenges above I’ve mentioned I would enjoy any holiday with my family. I love their company and time off work with them on holiday is a pleasure.

I guess we are very lucky though and privileged, I think that’s the point and maybe why people have been tough on you. Absolutely revel in the fact that you are in such a good place after probably a rocky number of years but with the knowledge that it is a privilege to be there.

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LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 11:06

Not all non IVF children are taken from granted. Many are though. Some are happy accidents that came along without any prior yearning but are appreciated now they are here, some were planned but their parents just assumed they would have them and don't realise what a true miracle they are or how lucky they are to have them. None of that means they aren't loved it's just not the same.

Many children are neglected, some are abused, some were never wanted in the first place. It is a mistake to believe all children are cherished.

And it’s both a mistake and offensive to believe that IVF children are cherished more than non ivf children.

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TheAlertLimeSnail · 05/11/2025 11:50

I really think the bullying on this thread needs to stop (the snide comments about IVF in particular are uncomfortable to read).

But seriously OP, you can't think that because you've had one good holiday with an easy 18mo and a supportive partner at an AI resort that you're now spokesperson for parents and holidays.

It reminds me a little of when my LO used to wake multiple times in the night and other mums would say they couldn't understand why some mums complain about tiredness (the same mums whose babies slept through 6 weeks old). Not everybody's experience is the same!

LizzieW1969 · 05/11/2025 11:47

I’m also someone who went through infertility so I have some understanding of what you’ve been through, as it was my eggs that were the problem like yours. We just found a different solution from you, we adopted our two DDs (now 16 and 13.)

I’m remembering DD1 at your DD’s age. She wasn’t easy to settle at all and holidays were worse than when we were at home. They were still enjoyable holidays, though, as she napped during the day and my DH and I shared the load. It became a lot harder when we adopted DD2, but we had nice times despite that and our DDs enjoyed them, which was the main thing.

And yes, we’ve mostly had caravan/cottage holidays. Because DD1 has always had issues with eating and there have never been many foods that she would eat. She also struggled to sit still for long periods when she was small. (She’s ND, still waiting for a neurodevelopmental assessment, probable FASD, and recently diagnosed with epilepsy.)

What I do remember is that it was hard to admit to anyone when I was finding things difficult as we’d pushed so hard to have DC, so I almost felt like it was expected of me to be enjoying motherhood. So my posts on Facebook were all positive.

But I found that I could share about the difficult parts of being an adoptive parent on Mumsnet, because it was anonymous and I found support from other non-judgemental mums. I suspect that’s why a lot of mums share negative feelings on here, it’s a safe place where they can be honest about things they’re struggling with.

When I’ve shared my various difficulties as a mum to 2 adopted DDs. I’ve definitely not intended to ‘scaremonger’, I’ve only been sharing my experiences.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/11/2025 11:42

LadyGreyjoy · 04/11/2025 19:11

Err, no?

It's a thread about the scaremongering of holidays with kids being pointless because you're still looking after your kids just in a different place being wrong. Are you confused?

I tried to explain politely why I found it harder parenting on holiday, @LadyGreyjoy - did I waste my time?

Imanoldbride · 05/11/2025 11:41

sandyhappypeople · 05/11/2025 11:33

When people moan it's because they feel hard done by or like they shouldn't have to have made the sacrifice.

I actually don't agree with that at all to be honest, when people moan it's because they don't particularly enjoy that part of the thing they are doing and use an outlet like an anonymous forum to complain about it.. but the crucial part is they still do it and the kids are none the wiser, that personal sacrifice is what makes them a good parent, they will put their kid/s first in what they do, whether they personally enjoy it or not.

Saying you have to actually enjoy every single part of being a parent or it doesn't count is not realistic at all IMO, and quite condescending, unfortunately, life isn't a 7 minute episode of bluey.

All the parents I admire don't begrudge the sacrifice at all, they make it gladly. As do I.

But you've had to save up for 5 years and forgone any other holidays because you only wanted the holiday that YOU would personally enjoy, and you say you wouldn't even entertain going on a caravan holiday because you don't think you'd personally enjoy it.. which seems to be the opposite of what you said above?

I'd rather go 4/5 times a year on a hard work (for me) budget holiday that my child loves, than make my child wait 5 years for a holiday at all.

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I agree, I do things the kids want to do rather than what I want to do as they are my priority. I know they will enjoy it so I can suck up the bits I don’t love.

MadisonMarieParksValetta · 05/11/2025 11:35

That's great. This summer my 12 year old refused to leave the apartment. My 7 year old wouldn't go in the pool and didn't like the disco etc.

Was class. Can't wait for the next one.

AQuickWord · 05/11/2025 11:34

OP your tone is so self-congratulatory.

Some people say they do not want any ‘mum friends’ as a defence mechanism. They have their own insecurities and struggle socially, so they prefer to say that they do not want to make new friends, rather than they don’t have the ability to do so. I would be careful around that. I had plenty of friends before I had children. However, by connecting to other mums, from NCT, nursery and then school has been so rewarding. Of course I am not best friends with all the parents. But I have definitely made a few connections for life that are ongoing even though my kids are now at university and working. It is always good to have some parent friends during the school years to help with emergencies and share some of the tasks and pick ups etc.

You are someone who could probably benefit from being around other mothers a bit and be less narrow-minded. Open your eyes and world a little bit. There are many ways to be a good parent and many ups and downs along the way. I suspect you will remember this thread and cringe in a few years’ time ;-)

sandyhappypeople · 05/11/2025 11:33

LadyGreyjoy · 05/11/2025 11:02

I'm amazed that you are criticising that sacrifice to be honest, it's part of being a good parent.

I wholeheartedly agree!! People don't moan about willingly made sacrifices though. When people moan it's because they feel hard done by or like they shouldn't have to have made the sacrifice. All the parents I admire don't begrudge the sacrifice at all, they make it gladly. As do I.

My sister is an incredible mum and when asked if she feels like she's missing out by not being able to go and do adult stuff with her friends or stay out late anymore she says no, I'd much rather be playing with my kids. She's happiest with her children so has no FOMO and doesn't feel like she is sacrificing, she is living her best life, one she is blessed to be living and many childless people want to live. I feel exactly the same way.

When people moan it's because they feel hard done by or like they shouldn't have to have made the sacrifice.

I actually don't agree with that at all to be honest, when people moan it's because they don't particularly enjoy that part of the thing they are doing and use an outlet like an anonymous forum to complain about it.. but the crucial part is they still do it and the kids are none the wiser, that personal sacrifice is what makes them a good parent, they will put their kid/s first in what they do, whether they personally enjoy it or not.

Saying you have to actually enjoy every single part of being a parent or it doesn't count is not realistic at all IMO, and quite condescending, unfortunately, life isn't a 7 minute episode of bluey.

All the parents I admire don't begrudge the sacrifice at all, they make it gladly. As do I.

But you've had to save up for 5 years and forgone any other holidays because you only wanted the holiday that YOU would personally enjoy, and you say you wouldn't even entertain going on a caravan holiday because you don't think you'd personally enjoy it.. which seems to be the opposite of what you said above?

I'd rather go 4/5 times a year on a hard work (for me) budget holiday that my child loves, than make my child wait 5 years for a holiday at all.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 05/11/2025 11:33

im with you op! I travelled for months with 2 kids under 4 around asia last year on maternity leave - travel days were hard! But it was worth it and it was bliss - all the schedule went out the window - they were up late and sleeping in - had them out at loads of cool stuff - we were on the beach or swimming every day! never did my own laundry, real quality family time together! I never regret any trip or holiday witht the kids - its not always relaxing but its always brilliant and a nice escape from normal life!