Anyone like to reconsider what they posted about the train attack on Saturday night?

The rush to blame some poor non existent geordie football fans was another form of snobbery and ill informed judgment
2 victims were in fact a football player and a fan, the fan was a hero too.
prejudice, stereotyping, ignorance and superiority does not stop at racism

Presumably that poster thinks Prince Andrew (whoops! Just Andrew) has been badly treated and it’s all a bit much, nothing to see here, because at least one of his - er - friends was 17.

it’s far far more than 1,400.
If you’d bothered to read my earlier post, this figure was just for Rotherham alone and the actual figure, for this town alone, will be much higher because not all the girls will be known about. And yes, girls. Little girls.

So let’s just guess at the figure of 500,000?

1,400 to 500,000 - come on.

There are people who are second and third generation migrants who appear to hate the UK.

In the early 2000s not long after 9/11 I did a (short lived) car share with a Muslim woman whose views were absolutely shocking. She was highly educated (in the UK) and a solicitor.

Unless you were in the car and hearing her views you would accuse me of making it up.

I had another muslim colleague in a different job who had attended Catholic school in the UK who would have been equally horrified by the things the woman in the car was telling me about her brothers/ her views on 9/11 and jihad.

The woman I car shared with definitely had no discernible mental health issues but she supported the terrorists. She was also born in the UK.

Here is the original thread. Most of the worst comments have been deleted.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5437223-stabbing-in-a-train-in-huntingdon

And yes, people who think that something being terrifying means it’s an act of terrorism is scary.

Some of these children were 11 years old. That is my definition of little girls. We can not underestimate the magnitude of these crimes. Some of these kids did not survive their ordeal.

Unfettered access to the internet and violent, misogynistic’games’ are hugely endemic in this country

I despair myself of my then 10 year old stepson being bought GTA by his grandmother, no phone controls, gaming literally all night with no limits or monitoring.

he’s not the only one, and it is predominately boys.

I have 3 sons, I am a vocal champion of how brilliant boys can be. However isolating them on screens all day and night, no exercise, no socialising, no direction from parents, is a recipe for disaster

it’s inflammatory when people would rather avoid discussing it altogether because obviously it’s racist to accept there’s a specific issue with pakistani gangs raping mostly white young british girls.

But but but but I think it’s terror so it’s terrorism

are people really this blind to the different ramifications and protocols of terrorism

Saturday night sounded terrifying, absolutely horrendous. As being confronted and murdered by Valdo colacane must have been terrifying.
how can anyone think either of these crimes are terrorism and how would the specific powers given to fight terrorism be best used as a result of these crimes?
valdo calocane’s family themselves said mental health services failed them. No amount of anti terror surveillance or intelligence would have changed the outcome.

are you actually serious?

Girls from the age of 10 ARE little girls.

Why is the repeated rape and torturing of say a 16 yr old any less worthy of utter horror? I can’t believe you are quibbling about ‘little girls’.

The girl in this report was 12 and the policeman raping her threatened to hand her back to the gangs if she didn’t comply. But ‘little girls’ is inflammatory??

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9y0lvpyqvo?app-referrer=deep-link

It was an estimate put forward in a House of Lords debate based on the large number of towns and cities where the gangs operate and the amount of time over which the coverup/institutional enablement has occurred and is allegedly still happening.

Thanks to the repeated and ongoing failures of government to address this effectively, and the victims were bring shamed into silence by the authorised accusing THEM of being racist, there are not yet more definitive numbers. We should all be horrified at this.

Even today, Jess Phillips is trying to water down the investigation into the specific profile and MO of the gangs. She has a 45% Muslim population in her constituency. I’m sure many would want her to investigate properly but due to the well documented ‘clan’ system perpetuated by repeated first cousin marriage (65% in some Muslim communities), and the interrelationships that creates, many won’t. It is perplexing that she is acting as she is.

To those who are attacking me because of my posts, please remember that I am just passing on facts often out forward by moderate Muslims themselves who want to distance themselves from the harmful practices being brought into our country by others. I am not racist or ‘anti Muslim’. If the facts don’t fit your narrative you may need to re-examine your narrative.

I repeatedly say ‘not all Muslims/immigrants/boat people’ and I mean it.

wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islamic_Law

The number of posters who can’t grasp the difference between terror and terrorism is really quite something.

the fact is, we just don’t know how many.
Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford.
(and London)
We only know about the reported incidents.
Most abuse goes unreported.
There are future scandals unfolding in real time as I type.

Yes, so 500,000 is a dangerous over exaggeration.

The actual numbers are horrific without inflaming the view of this by misinformation.

The term ‘little girls’ sensationalises this horror too, playing on the readers view of this being about young children.

I mean:
The Jay Report (Rotherham, 2014) estimated at least 1,400 children were sexually exploited in that town alone between 1997 and 2013. Just in one town.
So it’s a huge figure.
Estimates are tens of thousands rather than hundreds, but that doesn’t make any of it less appalling.

Eh? What does that have to do with anything?

The point is that in that first thread many people were saying it was clear that the attacker was a person who had arrived on a small boat and the small boat crossings pose a huge threat to all our safety. The fact that this person was U.K. born shut them up.

It’s not that U.K. born people can’t do this, but that people were so quick to blame migrants.

Please explain how I am misrepresenting your posts.

You said:

Tundeira · Today 06:55
There was a thread posted a few weeks ago decrying summer internships that try to improve diversity in some workplaces. The general theme was, ‘My white son can’t get a place so these schemes are bad and need to be abolished’. Do we want people from deprived communities to see these jobs as realistic options, reducing involvement in drug dealing and crime in general, or do we want to keep them as an underclass we can look down on and complain about?

My point to you was that white people are in deprived communities too and also deserve those ‘realistic options’.

I pointed out that discrimination action based on the colour of someone’s skin is unlawful. Excluding white boys from deprived areas from internships designed to help kids from deprived areas is unlawful. I have you a real life example of how this works in court. You continued to claim it is ok.

Generally, if I as a poster has fundamentally misunderstood your point, you would correct me and explain or qualify your point. But you didn’t. Now you are insinuating I am doing something bad.

I have no idea why you are pushing this particular point, especially on a thread about racism, other than to rather perfectly illustrate that often ‘anti racists’ are actually fine with racism or discrimination if it is against white people.

Like the ‘anti racist’ PPs on a number of threads happily chucking around a racial slur against white people while calling us all racists for discussing immigration. It’s very odd.

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“Domestic terrorism involves violent, criminal acts committed by individuals or groups within their own country to further domestic ideological goals, such as political, religious, racial, or social aims. It is defined by the location of the perpetrators and targets, and the motivations often stem from domestic influences rather than foreign groups.”

And while 500,000 little girls were raped and tortured by Pakistani Muslims for 30 years, by first and second generation immigrants, people like you closed their eyes and ears, with a nothing to see here mentality.

Please evidence your figure of 500,000 little girls?

Or is this just more misinformation (inflammatory lies).

I think the Plymouth shooting was terrorism was it not? Wasn't he an incel targeting women and children?

Terrorism does not mean Islamic terrorism. I should know as I grew up in Belfast!

But apparently those threads were racist, not just some people who incorrectly thought the attack was terrorism, as has already been said on here.

To be honest, yes I personally do view these events as terrorism. I appreciate now it may not fit the actual definition of terror but if someone is out killing random, unknown-to-them people on a rampage I think it's an act of terror.

Why aren’t Mumsnet moderating properly?

I felt the same way about a thread on small boats recently. A lot of racist and xenophobic posts there.

I knew this particular story would whip up hatred against black people as soon as they released the perpetrator’s race.

Totally agree. If MN started of as a safe place for women, it certainly isn't going to be a safe place for ethnic minority women if racism is allowed to spew forth on threads in such a disgusting way.

MN needs to take responsibility and crack down on the horribly bigoted posts that are increasing on here, particularly against Muslims and refugees.

Ah ok. Thankyou.