Anyone like to reconsider what they posted about the train attack on Saturday night?

I really can’t say too much but I sort of know the train driver. I’m amazed at what he did and how he acted.

Yes, he's been named, yesterday in fact.

has the train driver been named? He certainly acted coolly and professionally, and did his job well. But I’m pretty sure he would not put himself in the same category as the man who is currently critically ill in hospital after putting himself between a knife wielding criminal and his victims…..

I wonder if Russia has been investing in sending a load of bots onto prominent western internet sites in order to try and change the zeitgeist of the popular culture. We know they are terrified of the strength of our diversity and would probably do anything they can to put a stop to it by sowing discord among communities. We must not fall for it.

It would appear Anthony Williams is homeless so we need a bigger national conversation about the rise in homelessness and its links to poor mental health provision and treatment and care.

I'm not playing hero-competitions here - please take that as a given. I think everyone involved in the events response was truly outstanding - but I think it will be a really useful measure of the attitudes in our country if we compare the publicity that Samir - an Arabic, likely moslem man who confronted attacker in person, got injured; gets vs. the train driver - sealed in cab, quick thinking and skilled, but not at personal risk - white veteran with medals. It should be equal or very close shouldn't it - but let's see what happens.

And I also think we need to take a beat before we condemn the response of the police to earlier incidents. Those who wanted Williams caught when he was in the wind (and in the case of the barbershop, it only got reported 2 hours after he had gone) also need to think about their opinions on facial recognition cameras on public transport and infrastructure.

I imagine there is going to be a pile-in on Cambs police coming - their efforts are already getting omitted when we see reports of how the BTP stormed the train (BTP weren't anywhere near until after the events).

Actually footage on my local news will let anyone who doesn't know the area see that Peterborough is very multicultural and plenty of the passengers on the train came from a very broad range of backgrounds.

I don't know what went on with the troubling wrongful arrest but I do suspect it's also an oversimplification that the other man was the only other Black man on the train.

Weren't there some posts on one of the other threads claiming that the knife man was only targeting white people, despite not one single name being released at that point?

This poor but incredibly heroic man must just have been an oversight on the attackers part in that case.

I hope Mr Zitouni has a full and fast recovery.

Most of the awful posters on that thread will be suffering from some form of crisis trying to process the fact that the guy currently fighting for his life after tackling the attacker with unimaginable courage appears to be a Muslim….

It is indeed sensible to be open to the idea that people arriving in small boats might well have bad intentions. However it was the way that it went from ‘someone stabbing people on a train’ to ‘bomb anyone trying to cross the channel in a small boat’ before there was one single scrap of information.

There's a very specific definition of Terrorism in the Terrorism Act 2007 (right at the start so an easy google find). It doesn't fit that definition, and to use it would potentially muddy the waters and be seen as potentially influencing a legal case due to the high profile nature of this. Same as how the Liverpool car ramming guy was also not found to be terrorist related.

You said this in case you have forgotten.

Yet the train worker who tried to save others and was left fighting for his life has a Muslim sounding name.
The racists and Muslim haters must be losing their minds. Not only was the attacker not a Muslim immigrant, it was a Muslim who risked himself to save other passengers.

You clearly have assumed he was a Muslim and tried to use that to sow division. In the second paragraph of your post.

To understand my point, just imagine yourself reacting to someone saying that the knife man had a ‘Muslim sounding name’ and then went onto assume he was a Muslim.

There are known terrorists among the boat people though. One was caught after raping a woman in Hyde Park. He was from Egypt.

We would be stupid not to be open to the possibility. Oh wait…

No. It’s statistically far less likely to have been carried out by a ‘far right’ perpetrator. The vast majority of terrorist attacks in the last 20 years have been by Islamic extremists.

Go and look at MI5 and google terrorist attacks if you don’t believe me.

I don’t know where my head is at with half the country going mad about immigration and race. If found myself feeling slightly glad that the suspect has an English sounding name so that they can’t jump on that band wagon.

So because I’m not actually assuming he is a Muslim himself just because his name sounds his heritage would be, that would gather screams of racism.

No, you’ve lost me. Your point makes no sense and you’re clearly looking to argue something by looking at posts through very narrow lens.

That’s the general gist I am getting, that certain “anti racist” posters are extremely racists when it suits them or are desperate to fuel tension or divide with their inflammatory remarks.

Oh well, someone published a whole list of names of previous , specifically mass stabbing, incidents and invited us to draw comparison through names, inviting the interpretation that even as the man was black he'd almost certainly have a name identifying him as Muslim.

How disappointed they must be.

Oh where has that been posted then.
Personally I think there are 3 people who deserve the George Cross for their brave actions that night.This man, the football supporter who stepped forward to stop the children being stabbed and the quick thinking train driver.

This mind blowing claim has been bothering me all morning. What has happened to the humanity of people?

It is mind blowing indeed those girls in Rotherham and other areas were totally dehumanised by the very people who should have been protecting them.

And now it is more important to protect the perpetrators' identity seemingly , than acknowledge that these were white children and they were victims.

And the virtue signallers think it is racist to even talk about it giving the men involved victim status rather than the actual victims.

Disgusting.

I agree with you, I have read some accounts of the survivors.
And yet still people on here are trying to dismiss them.

No I didn’t.

I get called racist for sharing links to the Mayor of London website and stats on terrorist attacks, I’m not going to get into speculating on names.

You have a very twisted view. That is an awful thing to say.

You’re either projecting massively (from observations on these threads some of the self proclaimed ‘anti racist’ are extremely racist when it suits them) or are desperate to fuel tension and division with your inflammatory remarks.

Do you know what would make me happiest - if there were no Islamic terrorists, no Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs, no terrorists, rapists and murderers entering our country illegally (remember I am not saying all Muslims or boat people). We’ve got plenty of our own shit to deal with.

I am really pleased we are hosting the female Afghani lawyers and their families that JK Rowling secretly funded. I was pleased to donate to Baroness Nicholson’s fund for the Yazidi girls still held as sex slaves and their population subjected to genocide. We need to help the people that need it. We will not be in a position to do that for much longer if we can’t secure our borders.

Moderate, Britain loving Muslims are trying to raise the alarm on this. They don’t want the extremists to come here and be welcomed by ‘well meaning’ but utterly ill informed people. Posters on here have described what happened in their country and how they came here to get away from what is now being done.

They get ignored on threads like this though - must be the wrong type of Muslim voices.

Terrorism means there is an ideological aim, committing violence to further a political goal or influence people's behaviours to that end. A mass stabbing spree isn't terrorism unless the person comes out and states they did it to try influence the government or intimidate the public to further a political, religious or ideological cause.

Mass violence with no ideological 'reason' is just that, violence.

There was a lot of confusion and uncertainty around Rudakabana on this issue, with people wondering why he hadn't been referred to PREVENT. Because he hadn't disclosed an ideological cause to anyone regarding the horrors he carried out.

Was it you (if not, apologies) who , the other day opined that the stabber would not be called Dave??