Anyone like to reconsider what they posted about the train attack on Saturday night?

And some of those bots are definitely firmly established on MN.

If you read the news they did say eye witnesses referred to one person. The other guy got arrested because he probably was travelling with the nutter/ sitting next to him.

I think youand I are probably opposite politically, but it takes guts to admit to a mistake, especially on MN. I respect you for that.

I didn't see any threads or SM but DH and I discussed it. We couldn't fathom out why two people would be running rampage if it wasn't a terrorist attack. One nut case, yes, easy to explain, but two together?
Obviously it wasn't two but we didn't know that and the police gave out wrong information.

I'm still seeing a lot of crap on FB where people say its all Starmer and Khan's fault (somehow), calling for deportations and elections and spewing hatred and disinformation. These people are wither bots or so insane they can't read/ dont want to accept anything that does not support their grim world view. I doubt any of those will reflect on anything.

I actually think the majority of the worst posters across all social media are paid bots - either from far east, China or Russia working to destabilise our country.

Was there evidence presented that the perpetrators of the Nottingham and Southport attacks were cannabis users? Or have you inferred that from their race?

Couldn't the conversation equally be why Black people in the UK seem to struggle to access mental health support, even when they have diagnoses, are known to authorities, and their families are trying to get help?

Getting on a train is as normal as it gets really and now people have to worry about mass stabbings

They really don't. There are about a billion and a half train journeys each year. This was literally a one in a billion event. Which is why it was such huge news.

The worst thing is the palpable sense of disappointment from some quarters that this isn’t a terrorist attack. No thought for the victims, just rabid desire to get themselves more “ammunition”. Some people are as thick as mince and truly horrible people.

I never saw the thread. What I take away from this is now the police have to quickly post nationally, skin colour, sex and relation to any religion etc of suspect/s if a horrific attack happens to satisfy the pitchfork mob.

joined specifically to say no way will they reflect!

Nope, but I didn't post anything awful. Kudos to the train driver for acting quickly and getting the train diverted to Huntingdon though, and thoughts for the LNER staff member who's still in critical condition in hospital, and for the man who got stabbed while shielding a young girl. They both put their own lives at risk to protect others.

I definitely feel like we've (Mumsnet) has been infiltrated by bots and bad faith actors who just want to stir the pot though. It's tiresome. It happens enough on the FWR boards, it doesn't need to infect the rest of the site.

I was burgled by a white man, I was seriously sexually assaulted by a white man, a family member had their face smashed in by three white men when out in town, and every day I see reports of stabbings, child sex abuse, rape, house break ins and domestic abuse in our local press and the majority of the offenders are white. What conclusions if any, should I draw?

At the very beginning, there was nothing to suggest the suspected attacker(s) were not white. There was nothing reported on their ethnicity. Their ethnicities were only revealed later by the police to try to combat misinformation. The original news that came out was simply that people had been stabbed, it was on an LNER train that had stopped at Huntingdon, and two people had been arrested. So tell me why did people believe it was terrorism, unless race was assumed and that was linked to religion via unconscious (or for some, definitely conscious) bias?

The poster on one of the other threads who claimed it was possibly football fans was also speculating, and wrong, and this is why it was frustrating that people were jumping to conclusions and then refusing to back down to wait for details to be released. The person who said they hoped it was a white British man was also shouted down because most sensible people agreed that that kind of thinking was no better than hoping it was immigrants. Divisive and unnecessary.

The whole thread was full of rubbish. The op who took it upon herself to blame “shitty Newcastle fans” who are apparently known for this type of behaviour should apologise.

It’s not ok to blame any community/individual without the facts and that includes Football fans.

Sorry, you 'feel' that there are 3-4 Lee Rigby-style events per week? There either are, or there aren't - it's hardly a matter of opinion is it?

If you really believe that hundreds of people a year are being murdered by islamic terrorists in the UK then where is your evidence?

I am happy to say that I missed those threads. I have only seen threads about them so far and they sound awful.

I am sadly not surprised tbh

Once again it was another man. Perhaps Rwanda or someone will take all our violent men? Just suggesting an alternative narrative rather than the colour of their skin.

You think it’s racist to assume that a knife attack on public transport is terrorism? Eh?

I thought it was quite mild on here compared to the Mail online comments. One of the Mail comments stuck in my mind was along these lines "wait til he is charged and his name is released, that will tell us all we need to know" well they have released his name he is called Anthony Williams. They must be gutted but of course he has another characteristic they can focus on which in their eyes is proof of inherent criminality. As I said on another thread, if when you hear of a horrific violent crime and the first thing that goes though your head is " I bet it was an immigant" rather than empathy for the victims and respect for the emergency services then you really do have a problem.

I hope the ignoramus suggesting it was 'shitty Newcastle' football fans has had a word with herself!

I don't think it was unreasonable for people to assume based on what was reported at the time (two non white men, multiple random people attacked) that it was terrorists. Even the police at first thought it might be terrorism.

I think people got riled up on that thread by people saying that they hoped it was a white attacker or that it was probably Newcastle supporters - I'm not sure what makes it acceptable to accuse Newcastle supporters abut not terrorists?

Even on this thread people are saying it is mental health issues but I can't find that on the BBC, the DM has something in quotes but I can't see who exactly is supposed to have said it.

I think it's just better not to speculate at all, but I also understand people want answers and until then they are going to speculate. It never goes well though.

I didn't post but did assume it was a terrorist, I won't apologise for my thoughts as I still consider it an act of terror, a terrorist attack fueled my racism.
The incident in Dublin 2 years ago, when the 5 year old children x 3 and the after school assistant was slashed and stabbed used the same narrative, that attacker hasn't had a trial yet, am I surprised. NO.
Thankfully a man intervened with a motorbike helmet to disarm the scumbag.

I’m sorry, you ‘feel’ like there are around 200 terrorist attacks in the UK per year, and that’s been your opinion for years?!?

I’m sure a delve into his internet history would likely find him with radicalization of some sort. You don’t just randomly attack people and this should be a terror attack. He literally brought terror down on unlinked people to him. TBH other details are off like who was the person he was with?