New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

@Postcardsender

Oh so it’s all someone’s else fault ?

We see you

And it was all known about . The Windsors see nothing wrong with Andrew’s behaviour. They all have secrets - in fact there is talk that if some of that comes out the Windsors are finished .
I think they are finished regardless .

There’s something deeply disturbing for me about a laminated sheet about 71 teddies in order & position. Maids were taken to task, shouted at etc if moved to wrong position. That speaks of something beyond OCD to me.

Good question !

Now that Andrew is a commoner what is preventing the files of his years representing the UK as Trade Envoy being opened?

@PinkPanther57 I read Entitled and I was appalled by the sum total of his behaviour over the years. You see it all written down in one place and there is no other reaction possible. However very few people probably had that encompassing perspective of him in all aspects of his life, and therefore could see the patterns. He had frequently absentee parents, a big age gap with his older siblings, and spent years away from home at school or in the Navy. I imagine his family probably put some of his ‘antics’ as a youth down to a “phase”, thinking he would grow out of it and never imagining things would progress as they did.

@Postcardsender

Nonsense .

The Windsors and their acolytes have known since at least 2011 .
Stopping pitch at palace ?? Did they make Andrew reveal all the back handlers and return the money? The queen was repeatedly told and warned about Andrew’s behaviour both sexual and financial - she did nothing .

As for the titles being removed - more bullshit.
There is one thing and one thing only the Windsors had to do . The same thing the rest of us have to do - open the door to the police and allow the law to take its course .
The rest of the frills and folderols is meaningless distraction designed to fool the stupid

When papers were being attempted to be served the gates to royal lodge were locked . When they kept trying to serve them Andrew was whisked away to balmoral.

Once the money was paid William and Charles made repeated attempts to support Andrew’s rehabilitation. He was paraded in his Garter curtains, he was regularly photographed in the front seat beside William.
William and Kate even let it be known that they’d rather have Andrew as a neighbour than Harry!

The only reason that the Windsors are attempting more meaningless distraction is because unlike generations ago the Windsors cannot control all information. And Virginia’s book and Andrew Lownie’s book are being talked about

Can we investigate the numerous links the whole Windsor clan has to prolific pedophiles now , finally?

Listening to a previous protection officer I was stunned. Nothing in his behaviour went unchecked & he abused staff from a very young age. The seeds were sown. Did the late Queen suspect some kind of personality disorder & this the reason everything went unchecked from childhood? They did ‘nothing’ from a young age & the behaviour got progressively worse.

It’s not true to say the RF did nothing.
They took away all his “jobs” (trade envoy, military patronages etc), made him shut down Pitch at Palace and give back his apartment at Buckingham Palace, stop using the HRH title, and stop getting whatever share of the Sovereign Grant he used to get for performing official duties. He was also excluded from most family occasions. Effectively they banished him to his house with nothing to do and nowhere to go.

The question is whether they should have gone further and taken away his last remaining titles and his house earlier. That is easy in hindsight but at the time it was not so obvious. We forget that we know a lot more now about AMW’s relationship with Epstein and Maxwell than we did 15 years ago. It has been a very slow drip feed - first a photo back in 2011, then more specific allegations in 2014, then nothing much new until the Newsnight interview in 2019, then Virginia Giuffre’s civil lawsuit in 2021 and the settlement in 2022. And then nothing much new until revelations from the Epstein files and Nobody’s Girl this year, in particular the bombshell email from AMW which showed he had lied to everyone about ending his relationship with Epstein in 2010, and the emails which showed that his ex-wife had been much closer to Epstein than anyone had realised.

Of course they did! They have known about this for many years and have done nothing about until now. Did you forget about the small matter of QE paying VG off?

It makes sense that JE would set it up. Just shows how neive or overly trusting Andrew actually is.
By the time the photo was taken questions were already being asked.

JE must have had dirt on everyone.

For sure it was set up. JE’s main business was kompromat.

In prison or out with a Trump pardon - neither means safety for Ghislaine

@BeeWitchy I'm sure she lives life looking over her shoulder and will do as long as she lives, regardless of surroundings.

I used to think that to be a royalist you had to be a bit stupid ( I still think that )

Your phrasing cracked me up.

This!!

I used to think that to be a royalist you had to be a bit stupid ( I still think that )

When the fawning email Andrew sent to Epstein was released (‘ we will play soon’ ) some royalists on here were deployed and claimed he was talking about golf

Now if you remain a supporter of the Windsors you are also a supporter of sex abusers and pedophiles .
They all knew - all the Windsors - and for a least a decade . This flurry of made up nonsense ie removing made up titles , is an attempt to cover their own back and nothing to do with victims . They’d already tried to smear her 5 years ago.

Bloody hell, is it safe to admit that??

Lownie has already stated in a podcast that he knows who killed Epstein but he can’t release the name for legal reasons.

That’s ‘vanilla’. Meat & two veg is the equipment.

@ArmySurplusHamster I was suggesting his sporting tastes, though voracious, were probably relatively pedestrian compared to his son's.
@Catullus5 it is

"Random" in the sense that they knew where they stood with Epstein, but new and murderous criminal dealings would have to involve new players and much higher stakes.

As for Epstein's psychological state, he was on suicide watch presumably for good reason. Hand-wavey speculation about "what he might have hoped for if he was in a hopeful mood" is pretty much a waste of time.

‘Random’ - why random? There is such a thing as contract killers. The ones who’ve gotten caught have been studied.

Billionaires and leaders of countries could access these people.

It’s a very dark world and I don’t know anything about it other reading on the Guardian, on NBC and so on.

Edited to add - he got a ‘sweetheart deal’ prison sentence the first time, and he had a lot of info on very powerful men so I think he would have felt reasonably comfortable to at least wait until he knew which way the court case was likely to go, plus Trump was in power - he could have been thinking of a pardon?

Job sharing with P Diddy

You've just said it yourself: he was found guilty last time, and therefore would be in for a more crushing sentence this time.

Those who think he was murdered "because of what he knew" don't ask themselves: what about what the supposed murderers now know? They think rich and powerful men are scared of Epstein but happy to place their future in the hands of random paid killers who could blab at any time.

“Cui bono” - who wins from the world going after Andrew.

Two key groups did and still do:

1. the British tabloids. None of them cared which US governor or former senator or billionaires was involved, but Andrew for them was paydirt. Virginia Giuffre describes how she was tracked down in Australia by the MoS, and that their journalist was only interested in Andrew. The NotW similarly only staked out Epstein’s house when they knew Andrew was in town.

2. The others who were involved - obviously.

That’s easy - it was the News of the World. They’d had a tip that AMW was in NYC and staked out Epstein’s house.