New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

Charles certainly has links to some paedophiles, that's not libellous. Jimmy Savile, Peter Ball and Laurens van der Post. Off the top off my head.

Yes, I can imagine that’s always going to be much harder to verify absolutely.

I agree with you on the financial stuff - that seems very well researched and there’s a lot of detail.

But he and his publishers have also been forced to retract at least one claim in the book (about Melania Trump), and there are a few other things towards the end of the book which also seem much more like gossip than facts that would stand up in court.

You yourself said that it’s not the first time you’ve been attacked for being a Russian troll.

You can hate the Royal Family all you like but making stuff up just makes you look bad. (And very like a Russian troll.)

Here’s just one example. You said “Ps When will Andrew answer police questions because he hasn’t done that despite swearing to on the BBC . He ran and was hidden.”

Do you have any actual evidence that AMW is or was ever on the run from the police? That he has resisted arrest or refused to attend a police station for interview under caution? (If you are talking about the lawyers trying to serve civil suit papers at Royal Lodge, they were not police and that was not a criminal investigation. And the papers were eventually served anyway, as they always are.)

And the way, making other wild unsubstantiated statements like “the whole Windsor clan has numerous links to paedophiles”, you are also liable to a civil suit yourself, for libel. Although I suppose on the upside, Russian trolls are even harder to serve…

No but Lownie’s research is impeccable.

Do people really believe every detail printed from 'royal insiders' and 'sources close to' ?

I take everything with a pinch of salt.

True, but how many grown men have 71 teddies in position on their bed they’re precious about. Deeply odd.

That’s just an abusive and controlling person who sets up ridiculous situations so people fail and they then believe they have free rein to discharge their constant internal anger by ranting, raving and raging at them.

The one time vague respect I had for the RF is now gone. In fact I think I'd laugh in the face of any of them at a ribbon cutting now. They are getting closer to irrelevance. Imagine the spectacle of this lot of cover uppers strolling down the lane to church on Christmas morning nodding and smiling to their adoring fans. They have necks like a rhino.

Charles Christmas Day speech will be interesting to say the least of it. Annus Horribilis again.

I look at them all and ask What lies beneath?

@Mama2many73

Yes exactly - big brain thinking

Ask yourself why now .

I see two aspects to this

1. for me personally and for most people I’d say- stripping the ‘titles’ is window dressing . If the Windsors had allowed the papers to be served instead of locking gates and using tax payer funded protection teams to protect Andrew - I wouldn’t have an argument . But the rule of law has not been followed as it would be for you or I.
2. Why now ? The Windsors have protected Andrew for well over a decade . They continue to protect him. The answer to why now is that the public knows more now. If we didn’t know they wouldn’t do a thing - just as they didn’t do a thing for a decade or more

@Mama2many73 According to Andrew Lownie there is more on its way. He’s getting calls from up to 3 different people a day whom know things about Andrew but were afraid to come forward sooner.

I just keep thinking why have they stripped him of everything NOW? Why not ages ok if reasons are supposedly based on the Epstein parties etc.
I said to my DH i thought there was something else on its way and thats why they have dramatically cut him out !

Tell me what has been made up please

Oh I missed this

Multiple people ? How would you know what ‘multiple people’ think of my posts ??

@APTPT

Ive seen it before . Royalists ( usually prefaced with ‘I’m not a royalist BUT) will wait until the outcry fades then start trying smear posters critical of the Windsors.

They also often say ‘Andrew is vile BUT…

It’s a pointless PR attempt

How on earth does objecting to this highly entitled and privileged apparent nonce get away with trafficking-related crimes , and to the entire royal family's efforts to cover it up and pay off the victims, make someone a Russian troll?

You sound as though you lick the Daily Mail for breakfast every day.

Regarding potential sex crimes involving AMW in England.

I've posted this before, as have others.

VG was over the age of consent, so not illegal, revolting as his behaviour was.

Trafficking legislation was introduced in England and Wales in 2003- two years after the VG incident. It cannot be applied retrospectively.

Had AMW been foolish enough to carry on with this behaviour after 2003, and if there is sufficient evidence, and there are credible victims willing to come forward, I suppose that could be a different matter.

I am sure that William is planning reforms to limit what RF members can do commercially and make their finances more transparent.
Is that irony or satire??

Absolutely. Of course they knew. I hope there will be a thorough, independent investigation.

@Ukisgaslit

I can’t imagine why multiple people think you are a Russian troll.

It might help if you got your ‘facts’ straight. Most of them seem made up. They don’t help your cause.

Prince Phillip wasn’t role modelling well at home either. The rudeness to staff & according to Lownie numerous infidelities…SF’s mother included!

@PinkPanther57 Indeed - so much of this awful story is about learned behaviour and trauma handed down over generations. Virginia Giuffre’s tragedy started long before she met Epstein, at the hands of her father and neighbour. She says in her book that she believed that Epstein had also been abused as a child. Ghislaine Maxwell’s father was also well known to be an abusive bully.

At the same time, it’s worth saying that not everyone with abusive or unfaithful parents turns out that way themselves. By all accounts the current Duke of Edinburgh, who was raised alongside AMW by the same parents, is decent guy and a good husband/father.

@Postcardsender

lol - I’ve had that attack before . Russian troll indeed!
Do you also attack the hourly posters on the royal threads as being royal plants?

Your post has echoes of all the other Andrew apologists I’ve seen on here- they’ve all skulked away in recent weeks

You appear confused though.

You say ‘we know more now’ that true - thanks to Lownies book and Virginias . But the Windsors have known for a decade and have done next to nothing and in fact they have made repeated attempts to rehabilitate Andrew .

The only reason they are doing the little they are doing now is precisely because WE know.

Do you see the difference?

Ps When will Andrew answer police questions because he hasn’t done that despite swearing to on the BBC . He ran and was hidden.

He had sex with his wife's mother? He's not going to have said no to any little boys that were served up to him then is he.

@Ukisgaslit

Are you a Russian troll? You sound like one.

I am no defender of AMW. I have read every page of Entitled and Nobody’s Girl and if even half of what is written is true, he is an appalling, appalling person.

You say “let the police in”. The Met has already looked at AMW three times in recent years, plus the current investigation into him asking his PPO to run checks on Virginia Giuffre.
To prosecute him they need good evidence that he actually committed a crime under UK law and that the UK is the appropriate place to charge him. The last thing they want is him claiming he is “exonerated” because a case fails to stand up in court. For example, if new evidence emerges from the Epstein files that AMW pre-arranged with Epstein to bring Virginia (or others) over to the UK in 2001, they could perhaps get him on sex trafficking, but there’s a risk his defence team could successfully argue the UK doesn’t have jurisdiction over an arrangement made in the US.

In terms of Pitch@Palace - Lownie makes some allegations in his book that Andrew got commission when some of the start up companies raised investment. That sounds venal and massively inappropriate but it is not a crime (commission on investments is a very common industry practice), and it’s also not necessarily something other RF members would have reason to have known about at the time. Chinese commissions - again stupid, massively inappropriate, politically and ethically compromising, but not necessarily illegal either. Lownie makes a good case as to why greater transparency is the best disinfectant in preventing this kind of behaviour and I am sure that William is planning reforms to limit what RF members can do commercially and make their finances more transparent.

I’ve already explained in detail how and why we knew almost nothing in 2011 compared to what we know now, so I won’t do it again.

Prince Phillip wasn’t role modelling well at home either. The rudeness to staff & according to Lownie numerous infidelities…SF’s mother included!