New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

I guess it should come as no shock that a man who found it totally acceptable to have sex with trafficked girls would stop at just those.
What an awful horrible thing to have done, no doubt allowed to go on a lot longer due to his behaviour being protected because of who he is.

We don’t know what became of the other young women / girls though. Virginia obviously managed to get out from the situation she was put into but the others may have had very difficult lives after this - drugs, prostitution, abuse, possibly dead etc. those people are not commonly listened to in society.

US intelligence is who wanted rich and powerful men honeytrapped, who else.

One of the earliest publications to break the new stories on Epstein was the Miami Herald by investigative reporter Julie K Brown. They highlighted Epstein’s plea bargain, He could have gone to prison for life - instead he served just 13 months and the FBI investigation into the international sex trafficking ring was shut down in a non-prosecution agreement. Unusually the wording of the deal gave immunity to potential “co-conspirators“. And this deal was kept secret from the victims, which is not actually legal.

A former Israeli prime minister was named as one of the abusers of these underage trafficked girls, as well as a now ex Prince. If the other abusers involved have that level of power there will never be a full enquiry. It would be deemed too politically sensitive. A lot of powerful people benefited from the death of Epstein and the secrets that went with him. I do hope for all the victims there is to be a thorough investigation but I don't hold my breath. Powerful people live by different rules.

Epstein must have had a massive store of recordings and other materials that he used or planned to use for blackmail. One of the reasons I reckon Mr Mountbatten Windsor has become the current fall guy is because he is so thick, arrogant and entitled that it never occurred to him that some of his vile activities would emerge into the public domain

I was coming on to point out about Mandelson and how it would cast a different light on him if boys were there too but see others have made the connection too.

In regards Andrew’s daughters, unless family members are actively helping their abusive family member then I don’t judge them. I’ve never been in that situation. It must be hard to be in that situation and who knows how messed up your thoughts would be. I’d just leave them alone.

It was QUITE the photo, though. It was real - a few different people saw it - and why else would Andrew have been upstairs in that tiny mews house if not to sleep with her? That picture really did say a thousand words.

I thought she was referring to age. As in, it's bad enough that someone who was 17 was trafficked, but someone who's 8, say, it's even worse because they are truly helpless. I appreciate that Virginia may have felt trapped and helpless, but someone of her age still has a lot more options than a young child.

VG had a photo. What evidence is anyone else likely to have? Probably none.

Of course there were boys, why else were the likes of Peter Mandelson there?
im not implying under age boys but it’s obvious it was never just girls.

why do boys make it worse? @Rumpledandcrumpled

Wow...well, if this is true, I really hope that it all comes out. How (potentially) utterly dreadful.

I don't think I would struggle to believe it...these wealthy and powerful people tend to be pretty fucking awful. Look at Trump.

presumably there were some men who liked boys,
it doesnt mean all the men involved with Epstein liked boys

I agree with that completely. He is not fit to hold any royal rank, and it's come far, far too late. I actually think it's completely disgusting that it took the RF so long. Virginia should have lived to see this, and she didn't, thanks to their reluctance to punish an utterly vile member of their family no matter how badly he behaved.

Whether it be this broadcast, or something else, I’d agree with more coming to light in the future being the driver behind the loss of titles etc.

I just commented to my husband on this and he said he watched something the other day and this guy had a list of names and it was young boys, and trump was in the list, his feeling is they were all in it together, as in this was a proper paedophile ring of powerful and wealthy men. I really hope it is untrue and I struggle to beleive it. A 17 year old trafficked woman is bad enough.

Whatever he has or hasn't done, thank God the King has seen fit to remove his titles. He's now just a rancid, creep called Andrew.

Why haven’t more names come out? Why is it just Andrew? Is it the American establishment closing ranks and pointing to a British prince to distract from too many questions being asked there?

How did you get to victim-blaming from a rational desire to corroborate a serious accusation? You can't just say "There was an orgy with me and seven other victims." It's wrong to fling accusations like that around without anything whatsoever to back it up. Even if there was just one girl who wanted to speak anonymously to confirm the account. But I am not going to randomly believe every rumour peddled by journalists hungry for eyeballs. People are tried in the court of opinion these days and they can lose everything with no legal conviction, and I think that's completely wrong. (Not talking about Andrew; he's clearly a pig who has no right to hold the noble rank of prince.)

I think there is a reason the King has acted now, there is more to come.
I think Andrew will be extradited to America to give evidence and Sarah as well.
If the pair of them don't end up serving time I will be very surprised.
They both have made some very dubious choices and mixed with some very dubious people.

You seem to have decided they are true.

Not remotely surprised about this, I think it's been known for a while.

It's the Kazakstani money trail that I think will bring the royals down, the "working" for charities and then creaming off the money, the Chinese connections. That's why they removed his titles - to avoid the contagion of the dodgy money practices to the wider royal family (although probably unavoidable at this stage anyway). I think the Epstein connections are largely known about now so it wasn't for that really.
I'm also absolutely no fan of H&M but I think when Harry alludes to secrets being kept for other people but H&M being sacrificed to the press to provide a smoke screen, that may well be nuggets of truth in that. true. Trouble is, their own "charitable" work will now also come under scrutiny.
I think this is catastrophic for the wider royal family and that's why they've taken such unprecedented action.

@Horsiei think your points are all v well made.

Can you link to something that shows she took Virginia to court and won? I can’t find it. And I found nothing about winning $7.5 million.

All I found is that she was taking Virginia to court because of something Virginia wrote about her in an unpublished book. (Virginia saw Oh as an aggressor, and Oh says no it was Virginia): Virginia died before the court case. And that a court case could still proceed.

Maybe, just Maybe, not everyone is motivated by money. Maybe it's just too upsetting, maybe they're dead. Maybe they're worried about their safety?