New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

Like father - like son. Philip was widely known in Fleet St to be involved with the Christine Keeler/Mandy Rice Davies scandal but F St was warned off reporting it.
One wonders how much QE knew both of P's and A's antics and if she did, how A could reputedly been 'her favourite child.' Maybe just a Press cover story for him.
I imagine QE was a stoic and had a lot to put up with in the family from P (walzing off for months while she was pregnant with Charles etc etc.) Reputedly they hadn't lived together for years. The fact that his will is to remain hidden from public view for 100 years says a lot. ( Presumably to prevent us knowing about his other 'beneficiaries'.

Girls? They’re adult women with families of their own. Calling them girls is dismissive.

Pointing out the moral and broader benefits of them giving up their royal titles is reasonable. Demanding 'leave the girls alone' comes across like an attempt to silence a perfectly valid discussion point.

It feels like someone’s trying to clean up E&B’s image, but they’re missing the point. The best way to do that would be for the York sisters to step back from the sleazy reputation their titles now carry because of their family’s entanglement with JE.

Maybe she took B to make Epstein look more trustworthy. After all, could he really be an abuser if Sarah brought her young daughter to see him? The whole York family seems surrounded by sleaze. I think the sisters are both victims of it and also ended up gaining money or benefits from their parents’ ties to Epstein and his empire of abuse and exploitation.

Can we not leave the girls alone please?

Didn't someone win a multi-million dollar pay out against VG in the New York courts which was never paid? Maybe this is what her estate is being chased for. Interesting that the American authorities don't seem interested about her claims about her father who lives in the US, presumably there are not enough column inches in chasing him, even though his 14 year old daughter was not in bed in her own home and nothing was done about it.

Yes. It’s unbelievable. They don’t seem to have any morals. They are absolutely vile and I think they both deserve each other.

I really don't think the RF have done this out of sympathy for Guiffre and other victims, although some may feel genuine sympathy. They've done it because once Lowrie's book is investigated more thoroughly, much much more will come out - money laundering implications, the way charities have been used to "pay" him. The next question will be how do other royals use their connections and charitable work to acquire wealth, and then it's game over. Beatrice and Eugenie are known to have benefitted already, Sarah Ferguson is massively indiscreet so there will be various things coming out about her, and then the question will be who else in the RF has behaved similarly? AMW's undoing was because of Epstein/Guiffre but it's opened a whole other can of worms now bringing other members of the family under scrutiny who may not have behaved the same as him sexually but they could have financially, even if to a far lesser extent. So their only hope is that by stripping him now of everything, the press and the public will stop there and let sleeping dogs lie. He's ruined the gravy train for others now (not all I'm sure) and cutting him off is their last hope.
It's a bloody good thing that we are intolerant of illegal/immoral behaviour by senior figures in society and have the capacity to search for evidence long after the fact, so bring it on really. It may not be possible with regard to Trump in the USA but if we do it in the UK, good for us.

Wow.

They took their daughter to visit a child abuser!

We're at the stage where anything can be claimed and will be believed, 'AMW bit the head off my hamster', the claimants knows they're safe from being sued. Why don't they take a few pot shots at some of the other alleged participants, is it because they know it would be challenged ? Until the files are made public, unredacted, many cowards will be hiding behind their patsy and we all know why the files will not be made public.

I agree.

The speed it's all happened after years of foot dragging indicates a shockingly cynical attempt to get ahead of the game.

Listening to this witness is absolute heart breaking. It sounds like VG was also groomed to be taking on more leading roles in the JE's system of abuse and when this was going to go to court she couldn't deal with it. The whole thing is horrible. And there is no excuse for member of the royal family to be taking part in such sleaze and exploitation.

He should be in prison. Not in a big fancy house with all his bills paid for by his brother.
Exile- as if that’s anything.

? You mean you don't think she is dead? Or someone got to her?

Yes I think you’re probably right about Fergie. The woman’s an absolute parasite when it comes to anyone who’s wealthy.

Blimey, it's never ending isn't it?

Agree with this. I also find it suspicious that VG is conveniently dead.

I'm pretty sure the reason for the palace's sudden stripping of all titles was because new revelations are about to come out and they have to be seen to be acting.

On the other hand,how can he remember he was at pizza hut at that date 20 years ago?

Exactly.

My opinion is that AMW is being used as an example to any others in Epstein's party circle 'this could happen to you'. Keep quiet or else.

The honey trap has been sprung. Other party goers will see what has happened to AMW and not want the same fate. They will be happy to comply with any suggestions/orders.

AMW has had titles stripped and is essentially being sent into internal exile by the RF. He was already an embarassing irrelevence but his fall from a high position is very public.

Trump is both in awe of Putin (he admires dictators) and frightened of him. Putin has something on him, worse than anything which has come out so far.

Of course. They’ve enabled and sheltered and protected him for all these years, from the Queen - the dead one - all the way down through ‘the firm’.
A mix of protecting the family ‘name’ and business and a good old fashioned belief that they are special, above the law, above normal morals, an exception to the rule.
More interested in their own self interest without an ounce of sympathy or empathy for any victims of these paedophiles and abusers.

My great aunt could tell you what went on with Prince Philip and his friends in Petworth House back in the day...the Queen wouldn´t have been seen dead there were her words.

This isn’t about punishment, it’s about accountability, respect and compassion. The York sisters have benefited financially and socially from their parents’ dealings with Epstein. While they may not have been directly involved, they still reaped the advantages of Epstein’s wealth and social connections. JE and his entourage were guests at Beatrice’s 18th birthday showing he was treated like a family friend and that the boundaries were blurred.

Royal titles aren’t basic human rights, they’re privileges tied to public trust, symbolism and representation. When someone’s status comes directly from a system of inherited honour it means their public image is inevitably linked to their family’s actions. You can’t separate the inherited title from the legacy it carries.

It would be right for B&E to distance themselves from it all now, out of respect for the victims and for the integrity of the royal institution. Giving up their titles would allow the public to see them and their own families as separate from their parents’ scandals.

@Horsie

You think Philip was ‘decent ‘??

I suppose it depends on your definition of decent but Philip was never loyal to Elizabeth . He had numerous affairs and was linked some believe to the Profumo scandal .
The whole image of the steadfast marriage of Philip and Elizabeth was a lie .

It will all come out now they are dead. That’s the Windsor way . Keep the current beneficiaries at the trough above all.

Some people have mentioned that several of the Windsor men are gay. This seems to be totally unacceptable to the Windsor facade and must be covered up . Lavender marriages and living a lie follow .

Many have moved on and don´t want the unwelcome notoriety, or their circle don´t know their past, or they dont want the shit sued out of them, take your pick. That´s not for everyone and that is to be respected.