New allegations against Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

A relative of mine worked at Balmoral for a few years. He loved the Queen, but...

One time, they were unloading all the items that had been driven up to Balmoral for the Royals' annual visit. (They were carted up in lorries, seemingly.)

He described seeing a pram with a baby in it - just being left outside 'the big house' to howl - with no one giving the baby any attention at all. Based on the time period when my relative would have worked there, it must have been Andrew.

There's no doubt that - in spite of the 'Queen's favourite' schtick - Andrew had a a far from normal upbringing. I'm not excusing him at all. I'm saying that it's unsurprising if he's a sociopath.

I think with the York daughters there has been a lifelong huge family narrative about how close they all are and how much they love their parents. I'm sure they do love them and it must do their heads in to consider their disgusting behaviour from an adult standpoint.

I'm talking about the media. They should have something to back up what they say, even if it's a source that remains anonymous to the reader.

This is a really good point, I think that Andrew is getting hit hardest because of his and Sarah’s sense of entitlement in freeloading off of the British tax payer for the last few decades. I don’t mean that his involvement with the revolting Epstein is a lesser issue but for a member of the royal family to be tied up in this is just huge.

Thanks! I might get it then, if it's a serious book that backs up its claims, and isn't just speculation.

Exactly. Totally agree . Powerful people have ways of punishing victims who speak up. Mr Windsor was getting his officers to dig the dirt on Virginia and trolling and trying to discredit her. No wonder the poor woman committed suicide. It’s brave people like her that expose these scandals but not everyone is able to do that. There should be investigations into what the palace knew about all this.

I suppose it's a possibility 😅

I'm not hostile to the RF. Mostly I'm not interested in them. I'm not a republican. This is the only book about the RF that I've read. It's very well researched, lots of people on the record, and some who aren't. If its allegations (and there are many) were untrue they'd be extremely libellous, enough to ruin the author and publisher. The allegations are very serious and the book is not scurrilous.

Are you suggesting it's not possible for the IRA to have been a bunch of hypocrites?

(Thanks for the book recommendation btw)

The Australian media loves this, they are all thoroughly enjoying it. Our press is bad enough but the Australians are definitely worse.

I'm going to wait and see. It wouldn't surprise me if Epstein occasionally catered for men who preferred boys but cannot see Andrew doing it, frankly.

It's an unfortunate fact that his and Epstein's name will be forever entwined in people's minds.

Safe bet is young boys. Could literally be bodies turning up.

I think someone got to her.

I hope there’s a full investigation into the Kincora Boys Home scandal. Too many cover ups with the royal family.

Are you familiar with the amount of sexual abuse within the IRA that was covered up, including that of Gerry Adam's neice. You are way off. Read from a clear blue sky to understand what that was about.

So many cover ups with the royal family. Andrew’s namesake Lord Louis Mountbatten was named in the Kincora Boys Home Scandal:

https://www.irishacademicpress.ie/product/kincora/

Yes, that must be a HORRIFIC realisation for them.

We don't know that they're not bothered. And in terms of them putting out a statement, Charles is pretty much the headmaster now. I don't think they would put anything out without his OK, and I bet he just wants them to leave well alone and not draw any more attention to the York family.

Sarah's dad used prostitutes so it was fairly normalised for her to see men exploiting women. Historically, the aristocracy are fairly deviant as a rule, every now and then they make an example of one of their members when they push it just a bit too far for self preservation, but the underbelly of deviancy, exploitation, entitlement and privilege doesn't change.
But it shouldn't be a bigger issue because young boys might now be involved. The sex of the victim is not relevant to the seriousness of what has happened.

I have read it. I don't think it was a hatchet job at all - far from it in fact.

I haven't bought it because I was concerned it might be a hatchet job, but if his sources are sound, then I might get it.

Perfectly put

Christ, that's so awful.

Yeah, I don't think people have any idea unless they've been through it.

Also, with any abusive or controlling relationship - even if not quite as criminal as that - control is maintained by the abuser intermittently being lovely, gaslighting, and other manipulative tactics. The "Just leave!" bunch don't understand that the victim also has many lovely memories of times with the abuser and how confusing it is.

As soon as you post a message with that name, it gets automatically hidden for review. I guess it gets reviewed and then released if deemed acceptable?

Exactly, and she didn't live with him.

What could it be?

Psssssst, you will evoke the 'poor York girls' genie.