The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

What I can say is that in relation to the Huntingdon stabbings, what we had was:

• Immediate assumptions that the perpetrator(s) must be foreign or asylum seekers. No evidence to back that up, no restraint in order to let the police do their job. That is racist.

• Then when it became clear that the perpetrator was British born, endless suggestions that he could not be really British , because he was black and his family might not have been here since 1066. Again, speculation with nothing to back it up, stirring division before the police could do their job. That is racist.

The wider link between ethnicity, poverty and crime is indeed complex. It is not nonexistent. But that is not what these threads have been about.

It is indisputable that many posters on the threads about the Huntingdon stabbings specifically have been deeply racist.

The actual facts are not with you. We already know the ethnic breakdown of violence in many countries.

Someone upthread linked murder by knife statistics in London, eerily close to the American stat where 13% of the population commits 55% of the murders.

Frankly, if someone is stabbing you and intends to kill you, does it matter if it’s because they have a mental illness or just a violent misogynist? It matters not to me, what matters is the personal safety of myself and my family.

Its very much untrue.

As shown in the Train attack, not terrorism, not a gang attack, most likely MH.

& the guy who saves many, at huge risk to himself, is an Algerian and a Muslim.

I suggest you deal with your own issues rather than have ago at the UK.

The man that saved several people on the train whilst doing his job is Algerian & Muslim.

I wonder how the racists will process that one. I wish him well and pray for his speedy recovery.

You’ll say it’s racist. You cannot say it’s untrue.

You are literally importing people with a higher tendency towards violence. Look at the per capita murder rate of the various Caribbean islands, it’s actually horrific. You think these tendencies just stop when crossing borders?

You are learning that it doesn’t.

A foreign name means nothing. I have a foreign maiden name because my F was Czech. My DM (who is British) and DB still go by that name and, as far as I know, haven’t faced any issues because of it. (We did when I was a child in the 70s and 80s, though, during the Cold War.)

Of course it’s possible that he’s an immigrant, we don’t know, but he’s clearly been in this country for many years. And he’s white, so the racists will most likely leave him alone. Besides, he’s a hero, with there being calls for him to be awarded the George Cross. So they wouldn’t dare to say anything even if they would in other circumstances.

It’s the least of his family’s worries right now, he’s still critical but stable in hospital. We can only hope that he pulls through to receive any award himself.

Racism feels like a broken relationship — except it’s as if all Black, Brown, Jewish, Muslim, immigrant, or “forrin” people are seen as one person. No matter what any individual does, people can’t seem to differentiate.
You can do a thousand good things, but the one bad thing someone from your community does — that’s what gets noticed. That’s what defines everyone else.

There are thousands upon thousands of people from these communities living peacefully, contributing quietly, and doing good every single day. But the focus is on the “crazies” — not the complex geopolitical, historical, mental, or social issues behind them. somehow, the blame always falls on everyone who looks like them.

My best friend’s family fall into three of those categories. She and her husband grew up in Sweden (guess which three!) and now live here for work.

She told me she’s scared to go out on her own. I was shocked to hear that — she’s one of the kindest, gentlest people I know, and both of them work in deeply compassionate professions.

But who cares, right? We’re all “awful” and will never be British — apparently because we carry violence or hatred in our blood, our culture, our history… maybe even our DNA or melanin??

We’re supposedly “poisoning” a British society that was, of course, so peaceful and perfect before us.
You can’t make someone love you if they choose to hate you and only focus on the bad.
If someone’s agenda is hate, they’ll always find something to justify it

And what reality is that?

Thing is, the racists on these threads will learn nothing, feel no shame, hold fast to their disgusting beliefs and then when the next thing happens, they'll just do it all again.

We know nothing about the perpetrator other than he was British and black. There was no indication that it was a terror attack.
My first thought was it was someone going through a psychotic episode.
Jumping to conclusions makes the situation much worse

Oh look. It’s almost as if racists and xenophobia don’t care about facts and pretend that their attitudes are justified.

Yuck. Whatever happened to treat others as you yourself would be treated?

I hate what we seem to have become in this country. The racist rhetoric from political figures has made people feel they can publicly air their vile views . It started with Brexit and has just got worse since.
I wonder what the racists think about the hero guard Zamir Satouni who saved a lot of lives and was seriously injured in the process .

Samir Zitouni. What a fucking hero. Suck on that, Farage.

Well, I’ll tell you I wouldn’t be owning a dog like an XL bully/pit bull. So there’s that

This is the hero:

https://news.sky.com/story/train-company-lner-extremely-proud-of-rail-worker-in-critical-condition-after-mass-stabbing-as-family-call-him-hero-13463705

Let's hope he doesn't have ILR so Reform can deport him.

So it turns out the LNER worker who heroically stopped more people being harmed has a “forrin” name.

Whatever will the racists do now…

So your next door neighbour gets bitten by a dog so we kill all the dogs. Love your logic, love your reality. Jokes.

You can’t expect people to ignore reality forever

Honestly, mum‘s net it’s just getting worse and worse. It’s pathetic. Someone’s got an acquaintance oh big deal.

Yes OP you are right....

I wasn't just talking about crime figures.

It’s true that they’ve not released American figures since the Summer of Floyd. So the ratio is probably worse in all honesty. We are basing the 13/55 off 2019 releases, before some of the worst ideas about policing and incarceration (or lack thereof) took off.

The London figure I provided is from the Mayor of Londons website so pretty reliable. Facts get in the way of some people’s narrative sometimes though.