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To urge you to complain about Sam and Cat on CBBC?

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MonteStory · 01/11/2025 16:43

Was really shocked to see this on iPlayer this morning. Possibly they’ve been showing it for some time, I may be late to the party.

Ive read Jeanette Mcurdys memoir about this show specifically but I thought the actions of Dan Schneider, the exploitative practices of Nickelodeon (and kids tv in general in the 90s) and the rampant sexual abuse was common knowledge. 2 people have been/are behind bars!

Ive complained to the BBC about its inclusion in children’s programming and ask anyone who feels the same to do so as well. I really strongly feel the BBC can’t just pick up any only successful show on the basis “the kids like it” - there has to be a clear message that studios that not only do not safeguard their child actors but actively put in harms way cannot continue to be successful just because it was a long time ago. I do not believe these practices have been ‘stamped out’ by any means.

If you are complaining I found ChatGPT really useful. I know people have environmental concerns (and I have never actually used it before) but it was able to bring up examples of BBC policies and excepts from mcurdys memoir for me to use.

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AnotherNameChange0 · 01/11/2025 21:14

FKAT · 01/11/2025 20:43

I think it's well established the BBC do not care about sheltering child abusers, making money from child abusers, child exploitation and child grooming. They have a paedophile's statue outside their HQ. They are the home of Savile. They have given voice, employment and shelter to a whole range of abusive paedophiliac men. They make documentaries telling children there are 59 genders and if you're a girl who likes trousers you should think about taking hormones and cutting off your tits.

This is not even the 1000th most paedophile enabling thing the BBC will have done this year.

I deal with it by not giving them any money.

👏 spot on!

FKAT · 01/11/2025 20:43

I think it's well established the BBC do not care about sheltering child abusers, making money from child abusers, child exploitation and child grooming. They have a paedophile's statue outside their HQ. They are the home of Savile. They have given voice, employment and shelter to a whole range of abusive paedophiliac men. They make documentaries telling children there are 59 genders and if you're a girl who likes trousers you should think about taking hormones and cutting off your tits.

This is not even the 1000th most paedophile enabling thing the BBC will have done this year.

I deal with it by not giving them any money.

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 20:35

Perhaps I haven’t explained myself clearly. It’s because the show has been so publicly discussed that I think it’s an issue. It’s like the BBC saying ‘yeah we know about all that but we don’t really care’. They didn’t carry the program before all this came out so why pick it up now?

If you don’t think it’s worth complaining about then by all means don’t.

As I say I wasn’t really expecting this to be a controversial point, I didn’t start a thread for an argument, just to see if anyone felt the same and might be willing to complain.

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Arlanymor · 01/11/2025 20:30

It's Jennette McCurdy. If you're going to take a stand then please spell her name correctly.

FKAT · 01/11/2025 20:27

Babe-raham Lincoln still raises a laugh in the FKAT household. Both AG and JM are so talented - brilliant comedy actors.

soupyspoon · 01/11/2025 20:27

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 20:03

I had no idea objecting to child abuse was so controversial.

Again I don’t think ‘but there are other bad shows’ is relevant. Yes there are. This happens to be one I am objecting to.

Ths is a nonsense comment

Is abuse happening now on this programme development or has the programme stopped being made?

If the programme is no longer being made and these programmes are from years ago, what use is it to stop watching or boycott it?

If the programme was still being made and its own actors were being exploirted and treated badly and abused and crimes were being committed well thats a different matter.

By listening to Michael Jackson, is that showing support for child abuse?
Same question about Led Zepplin and Bowie? Iggy Pop?

RedRec · 01/11/2025 20:24

Loved watching Sam and Cat when my daughter was younger. Ariana Grande fabulous in it, long before she became really famous.
Cat's beloved Nonna Lived in 'Elderly Acres' - a name we still use (affectionately) for any old people's home.

FKAT · 01/11/2025 20:21

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:42

Surely then Schneider and nikelodeon are also getting paid which they shouldn’t be.

Well, they should be because that's how IP laws work.

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 20:18

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 20:03

I had no idea objecting to child abuse was so controversial.

Again I don’t think ‘but there are other bad shows’ is relevant. Yes there are. This happens to be one I am objecting to.

The vast majority of the world objects to child abuse, that's not controversial.

What is controversial is calling for a load of people to make complaints to get this taken off air, when the actual victims haven't asked for this, and you haven't even backed up your own stance by cancelling your licence. Its all a bit performative imo.

FKAT · 01/11/2025 20:17

Everyone objects to child abuse. That is why we are trying to get laws implemented to prevent it, perpetrators punished and schools and workplaces safeguarded. Rather than focusing on 15 year old TV shows that at this stage, can't harm anyone.

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 20:03

I had no idea objecting to child abuse was so controversial.

Again I don’t think ‘but there are other bad shows’ is relevant. Yes there are. This happens to be one I am objecting to.

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Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 01/11/2025 20:03

Well it don’t seem to have done Ariana any harm.

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 19:58

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:55

I don’t agree that because it is impossible to avoid all exploitation we should just ignore it where we see it. You are probably right that it would be impossible to watch tv without seeing shows where the production team or actors are problematic. So should we just stop protesting this behaviour? Stop holding the BBC to high standards?

This show has been discussed very publicly. The BCC is sending a message by including it in their programming. I feel this one is worth objecting over.

I am not acting on behalf of Jeanette or any other victims and nor would I in any way claim to do so. I am acting for myself - someone who wishes to live in a society where we do not shrug when and say things like “it was different back then” or “well all tV is problematic” but we make it publicly clear that none of this is acceptable. I am only one person. But maybe one day I will be one of thousands and programmers and production companies will be forced to take notice.

I would agree with taking a stand if the victims were asking us to take a stand.

They aren't though.

You say you want to make it clear that none of it is publicly acceptable, but then you're picking one programme out of thousands to be outraged by.

Have you cancelled your TV licence and told them why?

FKAT · 01/11/2025 19:56

The staff and culture at Nickelodeon at the time were abusive and exploitative. Some are in prison, some should be. It's clear that both Jeanette McMurdy and Ariana Grande and many other young actors have been negatively impacted for life by their treatment on Nickelodeon productions.

Sam and Cat is a funny show, fond memories of watching it with my kids when they were younger. There are a couple of weird moments in it that could be interpreted in a dog whistle way but otherwise it is very wholesome. Why should the production team and actors have their work banned and their royalties cut off because of their unwitting and unwilling association with Schneider? How will it help?

I hope you're writing to the BBC to ban music by the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin while you're at it. I just saw that Bow Wow Wow are touring - should they be banned because Annabel Lead Singer (can't remember name sorry) was 14 and naked on their album cover in the 80s?

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:55

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 19:48

You expect the BBC to give a shit about the welfare of children?

Where have you been for the last few decades.

Anyway if you complain about this then you'll be spending the rest of your life complaining. Have a quick look at the BBC films and let me know if you see one without a problematic history.

As pp said the actors involved haven't called for it to be taken off air, probably because they get paid still, so why take it upon yourself to start a boycott on behalf of victims who don't want it?

I don’t agree that because it is impossible to avoid all exploitation we should just ignore it where we see it. You are probably right that it would be impossible to watch tv without seeing shows where the production team or actors are problematic. So should we just stop protesting this behaviour? Stop holding the BBC to high standards?

This show has been discussed very publicly. The BCC is sending a message by including it in their programming. I feel this one is worth objecting over.

I am not acting on behalf of Jeanette or any other victims and nor would I in any way claim to do so. I am acting for myself - someone who wishes to live in a society where we do not shrug when and say things like “it was different back then” or “well all tV is problematic” but we make it publicly clear that none of this is acceptable. I am only one person. But maybe one day I will be one of thousands and programmers and production companies will be forced to take notice.

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MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 19:48

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:41

It’s not a”associated with”, the problematic behaviours were directly involved in its making. CBBC is for children, I expect it to uphold the highest standards for children’s welfare.

This particular show because it has been very publicly and clearly explained in multiple documentaries and a book by one of the leads what happened during the production and yet the BBC sees fit to pick it up over 10 years later. I find that to be contrary to their policies.

You expect the BBC to give a shit about the welfare of children?

Where have you been for the last few decades.

Anyway if you complain about this then you'll be spending the rest of your life complaining. Have a quick look at the BBC films and let me know if you see one without a problematic history.

As pp said the actors involved haven't called for it to be taken off air, probably because they get paid still, so why take it upon yourself to start a boycott on behalf of victims who don't want it?

PinkFrogss · 01/11/2025 19:45

YANBU OP and thank you for posting. My DD is way past CBBC age now but she did used to watch some of this guys other shows, I think the ones Sam and Cat first started in? I strongly discouraged at the time as after seeing a bits of episodes it was pretty obvious there was a creep on the show somewhere. Specifically a creep with a foot fetish.

I’ve also read Jeanette’s autobiography and it makes for very sad reading.

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:42

Greggsit · 01/11/2025 19:39

Have the actors called for its removal? Not all of them are making Grande's money these days, maybe they are happy it's still shown and they continue getting paid.

Surely then Schneider and nikelodeon are also getting paid which they shouldn’t be.

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MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:41

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 19:35

If you're going to boycot every programme and film and song and piece of art that has illegal and problematic behaviour associated with its making then you never look at anything again.

Why this particular show?

Surely it's better that the victims are still getting money from residuals rather than having a horrible experience?

It’s not a”associated with”, the problematic behaviours were directly involved in its making. CBBC is for children, I expect it to uphold the highest standards for children’s welfare.

This particular show because it has been very publicly and clearly explained in multiple documentaries and a book by one of the leads what happened during the production and yet the BBC sees fit to pick it up over 10 years later. I find that to be contrary to their policies.

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Greggsit · 01/11/2025 19:39

Have the actors called for its removal? Not all of them are making Grande's money these days, maybe they are happy it's still shown and they continue getting paid.

MD2020and10LambertandButlerPlease · 01/11/2025 19:35

If you're going to boycot every programme and film and song and piece of art that has illegal and problematic behaviour associated with its making then you never look at anything again.

Why this particular show?

Surely it's better that the victims are still getting money from residuals rather than having a horrible experience?

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:29

FleaDog · 01/11/2025 19:26

It has Ariana Grande in it, the beeb won't be remotely interested in removing it - it will likely be a reliable show for viewing figures because of her. TV channels are focused on and measured by viewing figures - they'll churn out any dross if it pulls in viewers (Mrs Brown's Boys being an example)

I am concerned this is the case. Hence starting the thread to try and encourage further complaints

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FleaDog · 01/11/2025 19:26

It has Ariana Grande in it, the beeb won't be remotely interested in removing it - it will likely be a reliable show for viewing figures because of her. TV channels are focused on and measured by viewing figures - they'll churn out any dross if it pulls in viewers (Mrs Brown's Boys being an example)

MonteStory · 01/11/2025 19:20

Newyearnewmewoooop · 01/11/2025 19:17

Not really!

I didn’t actually know any of that, but I enjoy it too it’s really funny.

It was filmed in a period of time where there was lots of behaviour that nowadays wouldn’t have been considered acceptable.

Thankfully times are changing and people challenge this more now, but complaining to the BBC will literally do nothing and achieve nothing

It will, in part, push the bbc to think more carefully about the programs they import. If channels refuse to pick up programs associated with sexual assault and exploitation it further incentivises to execs to do something about people like Schnieder.

It was made in 2013. You can’t really believe this was ‘back then’ when this stuff was ‘more acceptable’

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Newyearnewmewoooop · 01/11/2025 19:17

Not really!

I didn’t actually know any of that, but I enjoy it too it’s really funny.

It was filmed in a period of time where there was lots of behaviour that nowadays wouldn’t have been considered acceptable.

Thankfully times are changing and people challenge this more now, but complaining to the BBC will literally do nothing and achieve nothing