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WIBU to assume this about invitation?

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MannersAreAll · 01/11/2025 16:28

Possibly outing, but I'm so angry I don't really care.

Invitations arrived weeks ago for DH's relatives big birthday and it's been discussed for months.

Two arrived for adult age children plus their partners. Then one addressed to "Manners' DH, Manners & the kids"

Living in our house atm with us is our two younger children plus 3 year old relative. Basically an orphan who we have legal responsibility for and who will be with us forever. Has been with us for 18 months. Was part of big family Christmas last year, went to a family wedding on DH's side in the summer - basically has been treated as one of our children as we're their forever home.

Except it turns out is not invited to the birthday party as it's "family only". Only emerged when DH happened to mention us booking two Premier Inn rooms as we can squeeze DN in a travel cot anymore.

How shitty is that? This isn't a small party either. It's about 250 people.

I know people throw words around, but I'm genuinely fuming.

OP posts:
Lovehascomeandgone · 03/11/2025 09:17

I would be making it very clear if you aren’t ALL invited then none of you will be going. That includes DH. If you tolerate this once, this will be the tone of things to come. What a disgusting way to behave towards a child or anyone. Not sure I would want to be around those people anyways. Make your stand now OP!

RareJoker · 03/11/2025 09:03

Dery · 02/11/2025 12:16

@godmum56 - i agree he’s been an utter arsehole. And obviously if he sticks to his guns, then he remains an utter arsehole and it’s all on him. But i’m talking about what could happen if OP’s BIL tries to make amends.

Can i say i’ve never fucked up so deliberately and savagely? I’ve never made this particular fuckup (nor would i: i have a very inclusive attitude to family) but frankly there have been occasions when i’ve fucked up badly as a mum, as a wife and as a friend. Not often. I like to think i’m generally a loving and kind person. But when i fuck up, i really go for it.

So perhaps that’s why i’m such a fan of forgiveness and second chances and so grateful for the grace i’ve been given. Perhaps i’ve been forgiven more than i should have been. But i have good, loving relationships with those around me and no reason to think they regret giving me
second chances.

I just feel strongly there is an opportunity to turn this around, allow OP’s BIL the chance to make amends, give OP’s BIL the opportunity to learn better what it means to be family, introduce OP’s little one to the wider family and generally get this family event back on the correct path. This appears to be a generally close and friendly family which has always included OP’s first child in family events (as it should have, of course).

Or there’s an opportunity to allow a huge rift to become entrenched with bad feeling and resentment on both sides which leads to loss of part of the little one’s extended family. Is that really the best outcome here? I just don’t think so.

But look, obviously the OP and her DH know the facts on the ground. They are clearly amazing people. They will make their own decision.

Edited

Totally agree with this, but ONLY if BIL backtracks and allows 3 yo to come.

SwimmingPoolWater · 03/11/2025 08:39

DN is your child now. If they can’t go then you can’t go, that’s what I’d be like anyway. I’d be bloody raging at that.

Fluffywithteeth · 03/11/2025 08:09

Your IL will come to feel ashamed of his behaviour I am sure. Whether or not he will be man enough to accept his mistake and apologise ….. well in current form maybe not.

but really I wanted to post to say op that from your posts you come across as really fair, compassionate, loving and generous person. What an amazing family you have created and it sounds like - bar this one mouldy apple - your wider family network loves and appreciates you and sees you as one of their own - absolute testament to you

Hopingtobeaparent · 03/11/2025 07:56

Hopingtobeaparent · 03/11/2025 07:47

I hope so too. If he hasn’t got history of being like this, that must be it.

I hope he comes round and apologises at least, even if you still don’t go.

So good to hear the other family are supportive!

And to add, s sorry for your, and their loss. I think it’s a wonderful thing you’ve gone for your relative. All the best.

Hopingtobeaparent · 03/11/2025 07:47

MannersAreAll · 02/11/2025 22:33

We see him very often. We cross paths 2/3 times a week at kids activities.

I am hoping he simply forgot then reacted then doubled down as that would make him an absolute twat. But at least not originally malicious. However, atm he's not budging so that's just a hope.

There's no real danger atm of us falling out with other people, but I do worry that long term it could become awkward for people who are outraged atm but who are closer family to him - his dad, sister etc.

However will cross that bridge if and when we get to it.

I hope so too. If he hasn’t got history of being like this, that must be it.

I hope he comes round and apologises at least, even if you still don’t go.

So good to hear the other family are supportive!

AngelicKaty · 03/11/2025 07:39

@MannersAreAll Of course YANBU OP to assume your DN was invited as one of the "kids" written on the invitation - it's a perfectly understandable assumption. Your DH's cousin is being beyond unreasonable (as the reaction of your MIL, his own father and his own wife clearly demonstrate). In fact, his stance is cruel and vile - who the hell excludes an orphaned child from a family party, particularly when they've attended other family gatherings without comment? I'm slightly bemused by his wife's apparent passiveness though (notwithstanding she messaged you to say she doesn't agree with his stance) - if "birthday boy" were my DH I would be making it very clear to him that if he didn't back down, extend the invitation to your DN, and apologise immediately to you and your DH, then I wouldn't be attending his fecking party either! 😡 What a truly nasty piece of work he must be.

bluebettyy · 03/11/2025 07:33

KM123456 · 03/11/2025 02:42

How old are the "younger children"? And did the three year old misbehave at a prior event? Are other toddlers going? There may be background information that would explain this, as the child has gone to previous events.

There’s no way of justifying this. Op has other young children. You don’t exclude a 3 year old for misbehaving. Relative is an a hole.

HandmadeNanna · 03/11/2025 07:31

MannersAreAll · 01/11/2025 16:28

Possibly outing, but I'm so angry I don't really care.

Invitations arrived weeks ago for DH's relatives big birthday and it's been discussed for months.

Two arrived for adult age children plus their partners. Then one addressed to "Manners' DH, Manners & the kids"

Living in our house atm with us is our two younger children plus 3 year old relative. Basically an orphan who we have legal responsibility for and who will be with us forever. Has been with us for 18 months. Was part of big family Christmas last year, went to a family wedding on DH's side in the summer - basically has been treated as one of our children as we're their forever home.

Except it turns out is not invited to the birthday party as it's "family only". Only emerged when DH happened to mention us booking two Premier Inn rooms as we can squeeze DN in a travel cot anymore.

How shitty is that? This isn't a small party either. It's about 250 people.

I know people throw words around, but I'm genuinely fuming.

Am I right in thinking the birthday boy isn't inviting any friends to his party? Sounds weird. A big party and relatives only.

dunroamingfornow · 03/11/2025 07:29

I don’t understand this ? Surely the 3 year old is family now if you are legally their parent ? I couldn’t go and would tell the wider family why. Such a cruel and frankly bizarre notion to ban a child from a family gathering !

babyproblems · 03/11/2025 05:27

I would say this person IS family and if you don’t behave properly and invite them, none of us are coming. What a shitty thing to do!

Jk987 · 03/11/2025 04:05

How is the 3 year old not family? What do
they mean by that?

soverymuchdone · 03/11/2025 04:00

What a strange and unpleasant man, and how embarrassing for his family to have to try and account for his behaviour.

If the child did have behavioural issues or SEN, well, discrimination on that basis is common enough that OP would assume that to be the reason, rather than some nebulous thing about not being blood related. Either way, I wouldn't want to engage with anyone willing to jeopardise multiple relationships on the basis of a weird grudge against a toddler, and I certainly wouldn't want them around my kids.

Mothership4two · 03/11/2025 03:39

MannersAreAll · 02/11/2025 18:24

Sorry, a bit confused...you say that the problem is that the party is supposedly for 'family' only but early on in the OP you mention a '3 year old RELATIVE' which is surely then 'family'? 🙄

No need to be rude with your eye roll.

The 3yo relative is related on my side. The party is on DHs side so technically not family.

And which you clarified in your third post OP. But I think most of us had worked it out anyway

Firethehorse · 03/11/2025 03:17

This is appalling OP and I’m glad the majority of the family are behind you. The only thing I can think of, and it’s not really mitigating, but does your new child have big behavioural issues?
I think this person has made a big mistake and pride is now not allowing him to admit it and make amends. If he does make a huge admission of guilt and say how sorry he is I think you should accept the apology. I’m not sure I would go to this party, but if the remorse were genuine I would try to let it go because otherwise it just keeps the issue going and would have to be explained to your child at some point.

99bottlesofkombucha · 03/11/2025 03:16

KM123456 · 03/11/2025 02:42

How old are the "younger children"? And did the three year old misbehave at a prior event? Are other toddlers going? There may be background information that would explain this, as the child has gone to previous events.

i really think the op would have said in her recounting given the updates provided, but good on you for working hard to think of all the reasons it is ok to invite all children including 3yos except the 3yo orphans.

99bottlesofkombucha · 03/11/2025 03:15

99bottlesofkombucha · 03/11/2025 03:14

I’m glad the rest of the family seem great especially your mil, but he is insane. And he doesn’t care what his wife thinks?? If I were his wife I wouldn’t go either to the party he’d excluded a 3yo orphan from, even if it were my husbands!! I’d be telling him I will notify the entire family formally that I cannot in good conscience attend his birthday, and if anyone wants to come to ours to keep me company they’d be welcome, any 3 yo orphans included since who the fuck would you leave them with and why would anyone make you do that.

I mean if I were his wife, not expecting you to do that.

99bottlesofkombucha · 03/11/2025 03:14

I’m glad the rest of the family seem great especially your mil, but he is insane. And he doesn’t care what his wife thinks?? If I were his wife I wouldn’t go either to the party he’d excluded a 3yo orphan from, even if it were my husbands!! I’d be telling him I will notify the entire family formally that I cannot in good conscience attend his birthday, and if anyone wants to come to ours to keep me company they’d be welcome, any 3 yo orphans included since who the fuck would you leave them with and why would anyone make you do that.

anon4net · 03/11/2025 02:54

Excluding a 3 year old orphan that your family members have 'adopted' by taking permanent legal custody, is the lowest of the low. In good conscience I wouldn't go.

I'm sorry you are in this situation. I hope that child never ever finds out that people can be so cruel and heartless.

KM123456 · 03/11/2025 02:42

How old are the "younger children"? And did the three year old misbehave at a prior event? Are other toddlers going? There may be background information that would explain this, as the child has gone to previous events.

Cariadm · 03/11/2025 02:30

MannersAreAll · 02/11/2025 18:24

Sorry, a bit confused...you say that the problem is that the party is supposedly for 'family' only but early on in the OP you mention a '3 year old RELATIVE' which is surely then 'family'? 🙄

No need to be rude with your eye roll.

The 3yo relative is related on my side. The party is on DHs side so technically not family.

Sorry about the emoji, it wasn't meant as intentionally rude!
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever! If it's restricted to only 'direct' family members on your DH's familial side then surely spouses and partners should also be excluded and with the size of the party there must be a fair number of such people invited by default and attending?!
Not that it should be necessary 😡 but this is surely an obviously logical 'stick' to beat your DH's brother with? I cannot for the life of me imagine how anyone could think that excluding a 3 year old dependant child from an invitation is acceptable for any reason anyway? What a mean spirited thoughtless dickhead ☹️!

coxesorangepippin · 03/11/2025 01:41

It's just really crappy behaviour op

I wouldn't be able to get over it either

Talkingfrog · 03/11/2025 00:50

I would assume kids to mean all children that live in your household, which would include the three year old. You have indicated that they are a relative, so in some way would be family. If older children's partners were invited, and they are not yet married, they are not technically family yet either.

Wooky073 · 03/11/2025 00:42

MannersAreAll · 02/11/2025 19:41

@Wooky073 My updates give their current stance - they know how it's coming across. Other family, including their own wife, don't understand it.

Im really sorry to hear this. I was trying hope against hope to find that there was some other reason other than mean spirit. There is not. So the only remaining response is to send a message with your actions. You stand by your 3 yo, and if one is not invited then you are all not invited. None of you attend - and honestly who would even want to attend to celebrate with someone who behaved in this way. Some folk are just petty and mean. Hold your head up high. Your adopted 3 yo is blessed to have you guys in their lives x

ilovesushi · 02/11/2025 23:47

How rude and hurtful of the birthday relative. I obviously don't know the background of how the 3 year old came into your care, but I'm so pleased they have you and your family. You all sound really close knit and caring of each other.

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