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Andrew and social services

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autumnfallingleaves · 01/11/2025 08:30

AIBU to wonder if social care have become involved with Andrew Mountbatten’s daughters and Grandchildren? And if not, why not?
he’s clearly a sex offender of a very young woman and I’m not sure but possibly a paedophile. I guess he’s not been charged with anything as yet so that probably answers my question. Just sitting here and thinking about how different life would be for him if he’d lived in an ordinary family

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cardibach · 01/11/2025 12:17

beatingandbearing · 01/11/2025 09:42

And he was the only one, was he?

We all know that it was massive, involved a lot of girls and a lot of men. Who are hiding in plain sight while everyone demands Andrew loses everything.

I want them all to lose everything. Andrew is the one we can do something about because he’s on the U.K. and his connection is known.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 01/11/2025 12:16

I'm shocked by some of the comments on this thread

Hes a fucking sweaty nonce and he thought hed get away with it because hes a royal

Its so rare that powerful men are held to account so I am thrilled that his life will be a little harder (I mean, hes still living off the tax payer so he really isnt suffering)

You cant live off the taxpayer in a fucking massive house and expect to go around noncing whilst the poorest live in constant fear of having their UC/PIP cut everytime Budget Day rolls around.

Scummy man. Would definitely rob you if he can.

Phoenix1Arisen · 01/11/2025 12:15

What a pity that those screaming loudest in this witch-hunt haven't noticed what Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh was doing during October in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Perhaps if those people were to transfer their passion about not proven allegations (of admittedly sleazy behaviour) to provable, demonstrable fact, the unleashed fury would actually achieve something worthwhile.

See also Dr Denis Mukwege.

Wherearethegaps · 01/11/2025 12:14

aquashiv · 01/11/2025 11:33

It's not her age that's the problem; it's the other girls some as young as 12.

Have they come forward to add evidence?

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 01/11/2025 12:09

Cantthinkofanewusernameffs · 01/11/2025 11:57

I stand corrected. I did not know that.

People like Saville and Epstein groom adults as well as children.

They seek out powerful people and make themselves best pals, ingratiate themselves, support and organise the best fundraisers, throw great parties, make themselves the centre of a social circle.

They leapfrog their way around collecting people and making themselves appear untouchable.

Being friends with the greats is excellent protection when rumours start, and we were very naive.

Pharazon · 01/11/2025 12:07

KitchenSinkLlama · 01/11/2025 09:45

Having sex with a trafficked girl or woman can never be consensual regardless of her age. Non consensual sex is rape. Virginia’s age is a red herring.

This is incorrect. It’s a separate offence. As the law stands trafficked women can consent to sex so a charge of rape is not a given.

zingally · 01/11/2025 12:04

Not sure why they would be tbh. Both his daughters are well into their mid-30s, and he hasn't been convicted of any crime involving children.

He (and Fergie) are grifters of the highest order, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to learn they had some very unsavoury "friends", if those "friends" benefitted them in any way.
Unfortunately, his years of "but I'm a ROYAL don't you know?!" have ultimately caused his downfall. If he'd been Joe Bloggs Public, no-one would have even known.
He'd have been better off copying his younger brother Edward, and keeping a bland public face, while concentrating on his job, wife, and raising his children. Unfortunately he was far too full of his own self-importance to appreciate that approach.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 01/11/2025 12:00

autumnfallingleaves · 01/11/2025 08:30

AIBU to wonder if social care have become involved with Andrew Mountbatten’s daughters and Grandchildren? And if not, why not?
he’s clearly a sex offender of a very young woman and I’m not sure but possibly a paedophile. I guess he’s not been charged with anything as yet so that probably answers my question. Just sitting here and thinking about how different life would be for him if he’d lived in an ordinary family

Sleeping with a 17 year old doesn't make him a paedophile though, or someone who is likely to sexually abuse his own children or any other children he may have access to. There are lots of words to decribe the sort of middle aged men who might avail themselves of easy, exploitative sex with young, vulnerable women, but incestuous or paedophilic aren't the necessarily the most obvious or appropriate ones.

If VG hadn't been trafficked and coerced the sex could have arguably been totally consensual and totally legal. Morally questionable perhaps, but legal. Young women of only 16 or 17 can and do fully and readily consent to sex with men older than them all the time. They may make some dubious choices due their understandable immaturity and naivety, but the whole point of an age of consent is they can decide for themselves, even if those decisions are sometimes questionable.

The almost impossible thing for anyone to prove here is whether Andrew did or did not believe the sex to be fully consensual at the time and whether or not he knew that she was trafficked or coerced by Epstein and Maxwell. And as he's insisting he has no memory of sex with her at all, let alone whether it was consensual or not, it's always going to be her word against his and no amount of photos with his arm around her waist will prove a thing.

I have a similar photo of me with a man I met once at a party in 1990 or whatever, he was a friends of a friend and in this photo he has his arm around me. I didn't sleep with them and never saw him again. If someone said to me 'James Smith from Epping is alleging you had sex with him' and I said 'I don't even know anyone called James Smith' and someone then plonked that photo of me with him from 20 years ago, does that make me a liar?

I might say 'Oh ok, I vaguely remember meeting him but I only remember it because of the photo. If the photo didn't exist I'd have no memory of him whatsoever. I certainly don't remember that his name is James Smith, I don't remember whose party it was, or what year it was exactly, or that he lives in Epping. Why would I? I never saw him again and I certainly didn't sleep with him.' And I'd be telling the truth.

All that proves is that I am not someone blessed with an amazing memory for remembering every insignificant person I ever met over a 30 year period. But if he insists we did sleep together that night, how can I prove a negative? I can't.

But assuming Andrew did have sex with VG on more than one occasion, there are two issues here. One is whether it was morally questionable and the other is whether it was illegal. But neither of these things point towards him being a paedophile. I think that's a term bandied around rather too readily. A paedophile isn't simply someone who has sex with someone who is under the age of consent, which as we know is completely arbitrary depending on the laws of the country or even the state in which you happen to be when the sex happens. It can be anywhere from 12 to 21.

A paedophile is someone who has a specific sexual interest in pre-pubescent children. That may include children who are technically going through puberty, but the whole point is that must still look and act like children. The minute a girl starts to look physically like a woman and behave more like a woman (which most 17 year olds clearly would do) they'd be too old to interest a true paedophile.

Some paedophiles would probably not dream of abusing their own children or grandchildren. I'm sure many would, but not all. They'd prefer to keep their prediliction well away from their family life, if only to protect themselves from being easily identified by their victims.

Also, just because a man might not think twice about having sex with a person in their late teens, (regardless of whether they are over the age of consent or technically/legally considered to be an adult or a child) it really doesn't follow that they'd be a sexual risk to their own young children.

Needspaceforlego · 01/11/2025 11:58

RosesAndHellebores · 01/11/2025 10:05

What surproses me most is the air time being given to the Giuffre family. When a teenage girl gets mixed up with this sort of crap one has to ask why and her abuse and misuse certainly wouldn't have started with Epstein. Why is nobody after the parents who should have cared for and protected her?

Andrew is an arrogant and not very bright twit with the emotional intelligence of a gnat. That doesn't make him a paedophile or a rapist and it's notable that neither of his daughters have kicked off against him or other family members.

There are bigger secrets being covered up by a smokescreen if you ask me.

Agreed, she claimed her father sexually abused her between the ages of 7 and 11.

Her Dad was dropping her of at Epsteins.

I've got my own conclusions to what was really going on there. You draw yours.

Cantthinkofanewusernameffs · 01/11/2025 11:57

elfies · 01/11/2025 11:53

Not trying to be controversial but King Charles was deeply involved with Jimmy Saville for many years , inviting him to meet the Queen and visiting the palace on many occasions .....Surely Charles should have been setting an example to his much younger brother .

I stand corrected. I did not know that.

AutumnalCrows · 01/11/2025 11:56

No-one’s stopping Andrew telling all he knows to the police and FBI, are they? It’s about time he did the right bloody thing.

elfies · 01/11/2025 11:53

Not trying to be controversial but King Charles was deeply involved with Jimmy Saville for many years , inviting him to meet the Queen and visiting the palace on many occasions .....Surely Charles should have been setting an example to his much younger brother .

Isheagrump · 01/11/2025 11:52

Summerlilly · 01/11/2025 09:22

For one is daughters are adults.
While what he has done is disgraceful there is a big difference between pedophiles and what Andrew did.
Pedophiles go after children under the age of 13 and usually have an age preference.

Andrew is a predator and even if he was in an ordinary family child services would not be involved, as again is girls are adults and since no charges have ever been laid its a he said she said situation. So they can’t be involved.

He has very young grandchildren. But unless convicted - which we all know will never happen- social services won’t get involved.
If I was one of his daughters or relatives I wouldn’t have him anywhere near my kids or young women.

Cantthinkofanewusernameffs · 01/11/2025 11:51

TheignT · 01/11/2025 11:14

Well yes everyone knows now and they all knew then. Odd that so many watched his programmes and even applied to go on.

I would guess the poster meant his Great uncle, Lord Mountbatten. I can't see the King being besties with Jimmy Savile.

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 01/11/2025 11:42

Oh, not this again. Paedophiles are sexually attracted to children. Mr MBW is a nasty piece of work, but nothing he has done would (if proved) qualify him to be called a paedophile.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/11/2025 11:42

Ibizaonmymind · 01/11/2025 11:11

Don’t do this. She was clearly a traumatised woman desperately trying to live a ‘normal’ life. Don’t attack a dead victim, it’s really not a good look.

I've been waiting for those types of posts to start popping up.

It's surprising that it's taken this long to be honest.

FairKoala · 01/11/2025 11:34

JazzyJelly · 01/11/2025 09:52

Yes but I think they have young children themselves. I assume OP was concerned about them (and potentially historical abuse of his daughters?).

What makes you think that given at no time has he ever been accused of going after those below the age of consent

aquashiv · 01/11/2025 11:33

It's not her age that's the problem; it's the other girls some as young as 12.

BauhausOfEliott · 01/11/2025 11:33

He’s a repellent individual but he hasn’t been convicted of anything and the girl he is alleged to have slept with was well above the age of consent in the UK.

I don’t think there have been any allegations of him being attracted to children (a man attracted to 16-18 year olds wouldn’t be considered a paedophile by police/social services/psychiatrists).

He’s utterly repellent and I despise him and find his behaviour repulsive. But unless they have evidence that he’s committed offences relating to prepubescent kids, it’s highly unlikely that he’s any kind of risk to his grandkids or was ever a risk to his daughters.

caringcarer · 01/11/2025 11:32

I think Virginia was 17 1/2 when Andrew allegedly had sex with her. The UK age of consent is 16 so SS would not bat an eyelid.

JudgeJ · 01/11/2025 11:28

JockTamsonsBairns · 01/11/2025 11:25

Jesus fucking Christ

That's a really helpful response but hardly surprising. Because of the nature of this scandal the rules of law and evidence can be disregarded?

JudgeJ · 01/11/2025 11:26

Summerlilly · 01/11/2025 09:22

For one is daughters are adults.
While what he has done is disgraceful there is a big difference between pedophiles and what Andrew did.
Pedophiles go after children under the age of 13 and usually have an age preference.

Andrew is a predator and even if he was in an ordinary family child services would not be involved, as again is girls are adults and since no charges have ever been laid its a he said she said situation. So they can’t be involved.

One assumes that the parents of the young Royal children know where they children are sleeping every night, unlike at least one American father who was subsequently accused by his daughter of assaulting her. Are the American authorities investigating that accusation?

JockTamsonsBairns · 01/11/2025 11:25

Idontpostmuch · 01/11/2025 11:18

Not rape if he thought it was consensual. Proving he knew she was there against her will very difficult, and she had just posed smiling for a photo with him, one thatbshe had requested for her mother.

Jesus fucking Christ

beatingandbearing · 01/11/2025 11:23

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/11/2025 11:18

Ah, you’re doing a Simon and trying to discredit what I’m saying by suggesting I’m personal besties with them? Hardly

its very obvious what they are doing 💐

Thanks. I’m actually really disturbed by that post and the one suggesting my dad is a rapist or whatever the fuck that absolute scum was trying to say.

Idontpostmuch · 01/11/2025 11:18

Ibizaonmymind · 01/11/2025 11:03

Do you think it can’t be rape if the victim is not held down and physically forced to have sex?

I think you need to do some research and reflection because you’re absolutely fucking wrong about this.

Not rape if he thought it was consensual. Proving he knew she was there against her will very difficult, and she had just posed smiling for a photo with him, one thatbshe had requested for her mother.