JK right again

I worded that badly, what I meant to say was men, whatever they wear, are not a minority group.

IMO they are appropriating oppression. The group of men photographed for this magazine shoot are the opposite of oppressed. They are demanding additional rights based on their identities without a care of the harm that does to female people.

In fact, most women I know would bloody love more care to be given to diagnosis and more research into their medical needs.

Aside from the single sex spaces aspect...There are many things wrong with the provision of health care in the UK. Refusal to accept self diagnosis or provide medication and cosmetic surgery on demand is not one of them. That's not a request for equal treatment given no one else gets it either, it's a demand for special treatment and "rights" no one else has.

I am not going to have sympathy for complaints that their "healthcare" is now better regulated and attempting to be evidence based. I say attempting because I know evidence is limited, and there might be more evidence if only the patients in this demographic hadn't blocked previous research proposals into their treatment options on the grounds they were hateful.

Yes the ‘dolls’ is just so bad as phrasing

Also how does @ByShyRaven know they are daughters?

Quite. Jeffrey Epstein was part of a small minority. As is Prince Andrew.

As it is, males, no matter what they wear or how they choose to identify, are not, have never been, and will never be, a minority.

The muscling in to women’s safe spaces and prizes, and the trampling of women’s rights and safety, demonstrates they do not lose their male entitlement if they say they’re a woman. And the pitiful fawning and magical thinking of some women over a male, the minute he says he’s a woman, demonstrates how much further we have to go before internalised misogyny is wiped out if our society.

Article sums it up brilliantly.

How are people of any gender thinking calling people “dolls” is edgy and progressive? Why would a man who wholeheartedly sees himself as a woman call himself a doll?
Oh yeah….

Her daughters or his daughters it would be easy for @ByShyRaven to clarify.

I cannot help but feel sorry for your daughters. What you are teaching them is that their comfort doesn't matter, that they should set aside their feelings for someone who is born male. How you are viewing your daughters versus male transwomen is still an accumulation of centuries of patriarchy: girls are taught to be kind, boys are taught that girls will be kind to them. I am sure you considered this and still decided to hold to your viewpoint.

Maybe your daughter will meet one of mine, who knows and is friends with transpeople but also knows were to firmly draw the lines. And nice transpeople respect that. These transwomen, especially the dude that wrote this, has zero respect for women who have boundaries.

Do you also know biological women who face a 1 in 4 chance of being raped in their lifetime by biological men.

I despise this concept of "minority". Being a minority does not equate claiming special laws, having to be protected or being good people. Billionaires are a minority. Psychopaths are a minority. Green-eyed people are a minority. People who become teachers after 40 are a minority. And so what?

Do you need a nice cup of tea and a lie down? You seem a bit….. excited.

So there must be two groups of people who are “stuck in the wrong body”. The people claiming it and those who got the bodies these people were supposed to have? Do the second group know they are in the wrong bodies? How does this happen? Is it like a production line where something like a soul is put in a body and someone let the intern have a go and they put the souls in the wrong bodies? I have so many questions about this batshit theory.

Fancy cramming in any more self-righteous buzzwords so we all get to know what a Good Person™ you are?

Dolls? Urgh. Its all so fucking creepy.

I cannot believe that ‘‘celebrating diversity/inclusion/WOMEN’ now boils down to half naked men with extreme plastic surgery parading around in stilettos and being affectionately called ‘the dolls’.

Sinister as fuck.

Trans ideology is deeply homophobic - it is punching down. Lesbians haven't even been able to safely meet up or say they don't want to sleep with someone with a penis. This whole movement has been terrible for gay people and gender non-conforming people who will be left even more confused.

in the 15th - 17th century men persecuted women as witches, in the 19th century men had their wives committed so they could have another woman or simply because they had grown bored of them. women didn't get the vote until the 20th century and in some countries not till the 1980s. not to mention rape, genital mutilation foot binding. all these things to try to dominate and control us. and now not content with that some are are now telling us they are us. no you are not you are men with a gender dysphoria or men with a sexual kink. but still men

Agree. I have wondered for decades why womens fashion designers were mostly men , and even more oddly gay men. A weird conundrum.

They absolutely are a minority group. The data shows that clearly.

…. along with all the other Women of the Year, who are most definitely women.

This type of inane post is becoming too common - a variation of ‘I don’t like the message, so I’ll shoot the messenger’. Did you even read the article in question?

Feminists are people that can name one thing that differentiates a man from a woman.

If you smirked and said "feeling like a man" then you didn't even get as far as understanding the question.

Brilliant post. 👏

Women in prisons are a minority. Women who have experienced trauma at the hands of men are (just about) a minority. Women in professional sport are a minority. Women whose religion forbids them to share single sex spaces with men are a minority. Women in refuges are a minority. Women who don’t want to get undressed in front of their male colleagues are a minority. Men, on the other hand, are not a minority, irrespective of how they choose to present themselves.

Feminism requires that you centre women. If you are teaching your daughters that men should also be centred in their feminism and that there’s nothing to worry about so they should just shut up, budge over and be kind, you are doing them a grave disservice. For their sake, I hope they never discover just how much of a disservice.

Also, it’s got sod all to do with a hatred of trans people. Shame on you for very clearly not reading what JKR wrote in one of her first written pieces on the subject. As TRAs are so keen on pointing out, trans people have existed for a very long time and it has been women who have so often been their biggest champions and protectors. But if you can’t see that in order for transwomen to have all the rights some of them are demanding, women have to completely give up their hard won rights to single sex spaces. Rights that our sex fought a battle for. There is a conflict. That might not bother you, but it bothers enough women that a line has been drawn.

Haven’t bought or read it in years. I will now though.