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Arraminta · 01/11/2025 13:11

Inertia · 01/11/2025 10:27

And they don’t just demand to compete against the girls, they insist on being naked in the girls’ changing room and whinge about transphobia if the girls refuse to get naked in front of them.

Yep. And nothing screams MEN'S privilege and arrogance more than making women feels physically vulnerable and violated.

That's how you know TW are men. And will always be men.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2025 13:07

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:53

I thought their response was really funny.

‘Really funny’ yeh no

TheKeatingFive · 01/11/2025 13:02

Hoppinggreen · 01/11/2025 12:47

I actually find the whole concept of "dolls" to be problematic.
A set of Trans women who want to be seen as an inanimate object that is frequently fetishised?
Very very creepy

Totally agree. Very weird.

purple590 · 01/11/2025 13:02

canklesmctacotits · 01/11/2025 11:25

You don’t help yourself by being deliberately rude or simple, or aggressively bold (especially when you’re being a bold simpleton). It’s obviously none of the nonsense you’ve typed. And these people exist and have done for centuries, so it’s clearly not batshit either 🙄. It’s real, and they wouldn’t give two shits that you personally don’t believe it - you, actually, embody the type of ignorance that makes their life a living curse. Why be so dismissive of something you don’t like? Wonder who that reminds me of…

I suspect it’s probably some sort of chromosomal combination, or genomal “defect” that combines element of a male human with elements of a female human in the same body. Is that beyond your imagination? Or can there only ever be two possible choices, both of them absolute at all times, and natural selection must be 100% perfect at all times, that glitches and variations can never occur even though they do every single day up and down the entire length and breadth of the human genome? You do a huge disservice to the hundreds of thousands of people who have gone before you who lived with their “defective” bodies and souls without making the sort of fuss that has this current generation all riled up. Ffs, I know standards on MN have dropped but this is something else.

Sorry, what actual real science evidence is this based on?

Or is it just a complete guess based on absolutely nothing that you've made up yourself?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/11/2025 12:57

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:53

I thought their response was really funny.

It was as funny as a paper cut.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:53

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 12:50

She’s 100% right and Glamour’s response is awful.

I thought their response was really funny.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 12:50

She’s 100% right and Glamour’s response is awful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2025 12:49

If these men want to call themselves “dolls” have at it. They aren’t women.

Hoppinggreen · 01/11/2025 12:47

I actually find the whole concept of "dolls" to be problematic.
A set of Trans women who want to be seen as an inanimate object that is frequently fetishised?
Very very creepy

potpourree · 01/11/2025 12:39

Or can there only ever be two possible choices, both of them absolute at all times

Are you saying there is a difference between a man and a woman (in which case, you'll be able to say what it is), or that there isn't? (In which case transitioning is utterly meaningless).

StormyPotatoes · 01/11/2025 12:30

canklesmctacotits · 01/11/2025 11:25

You don’t help yourself by being deliberately rude or simple, or aggressively bold (especially when you’re being a bold simpleton). It’s obviously none of the nonsense you’ve typed. And these people exist and have done for centuries, so it’s clearly not batshit either 🙄. It’s real, and they wouldn’t give two shits that you personally don’t believe it - you, actually, embody the type of ignorance that makes their life a living curse. Why be so dismissive of something you don’t like? Wonder who that reminds me of…

I suspect it’s probably some sort of chromosomal combination, or genomal “defect” that combines element of a male human with elements of a female human in the same body. Is that beyond your imagination? Or can there only ever be two possible choices, both of them absolute at all times, and natural selection must be 100% perfect at all times, that glitches and variations can never occur even though they do every single day up and down the entire length and breadth of the human genome? You do a huge disservice to the hundreds of thousands of people who have gone before you who lived with their “defective” bodies and souls without making the sort of fuss that has this current generation all riled up. Ffs, I know standards on MN have dropped but this is something else.

Wow, do you realise how outdated your thinking is? A lot of trans-people would be incredibly offended by the assertion that there’s something defective about them - in fact a vast, vast majority of trans women do very little surgery and it’s over 92% that keep their male genitalia.

As it happens as well, a trans activist was going to release a paper with medical ‘proof’ of trans-ness but had to recant because a very angry mob of trans people (predominately male) didn’t want it released. Can you think why that might have been?

And what would you have thought about it if only some trans people met the criteria of medical proof? Would you have conceded that some are in fact only in it for the fetish?

TheKeatingFive · 01/11/2025 12:14

ThatCyanCat · 01/11/2025 12:13

And even if there were, so fucking what? Those with female bodies are still a definable and cohesive group that require certain rights and protections based on having those female bodies. Absolutely nothing to do with validation or affirmation or self image; women who claim to be men still have those rights.

Exactly

ThatCyanCat · 01/11/2025 12:13

TheKeatingFive · 01/11/2025 12:09

There is absolutely zero evidence of any of that, however

And even if there were, so fucking what? Those with female bodies are still a definable and cohesive group that require certain rights and protections based on having those female bodies. Absolutely nothing to do with validation or affirmation or self image; women who claim to be men still have those rights.

TheKeatingFive · 01/11/2025 12:09

canklesmctacotits · 01/11/2025 11:25

You don’t help yourself by being deliberately rude or simple, or aggressively bold (especially when you’re being a bold simpleton). It’s obviously none of the nonsense you’ve typed. And these people exist and have done for centuries, so it’s clearly not batshit either 🙄. It’s real, and they wouldn’t give two shits that you personally don’t believe it - you, actually, embody the type of ignorance that makes their life a living curse. Why be so dismissive of something you don’t like? Wonder who that reminds me of…

I suspect it’s probably some sort of chromosomal combination, or genomal “defect” that combines element of a male human with elements of a female human in the same body. Is that beyond your imagination? Or can there only ever be two possible choices, both of them absolute at all times, and natural selection must be 100% perfect at all times, that glitches and variations can never occur even though they do every single day up and down the entire length and breadth of the human genome? You do a huge disservice to the hundreds of thousands of people who have gone before you who lived with their “defective” bodies and souls without making the sort of fuss that has this current generation all riled up. Ffs, I know standards on MN have dropped but this is something else.

There is absolutely zero evidence of any of that, however

Thatstheheatingon · 01/11/2025 12:07

VioletandDill · 01/11/2025 11:58

PS it's worth noting that the dolls are on A cover, not THE cover. They've done a cover starring each of the WOTY. I think I counted 8.

That's interesting - is it accurate though that they have put the label "women of the year" on the picture of the transwomen then, or not?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:07

Thatstheheatingon · 01/11/2025 12:04

The picture says "women of the year" and there are no women.
who's misrepresenting? Well except Glamour, who could simply have put "Transwomen of the year"

As others have explained, this is one picture out of a bigger series.

Yes, I suppose they could have put 'Transwomen of the Year', but it's not something I can be bothered to get my knickers in a twist about.

Ddakji · 01/11/2025 12:05

VioletandDill · 01/11/2025 11:54

It's still really difficult to find the image on X unless you're actively searching for it, and even then I can only find JK's tweet and one image from Glamour which isn't that one. Most (as in the vast majority) of their WOTY posts are other people. On Instagram the Dolls occupy 2/45 of their WOTY posts. And I highly doubt that JK follows them otherwise, so she must have gone looking for it.

I conclude that JK ought to put the phone down and get a life.

Anyway, I'm off to the newsagents and then to get on with mine! I'll see whether there is actually a print version. Maybe it'll come back with all the publicity that Mr Galbraith has given it!

I saw it multiple times on X before JKR posted about it.

ThatCyanCat · 01/11/2025 12:05

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/11/2025 12:02

An author whose books are so popular she is a billionaire (I read though that her charitable donations keeps her under billionaire status?), a woman who started and funds a rape crisis centre, who helped women out of Afghanistan and who gave £10m to fund a Regenerative Neurology Clinic at the RIE hospital in Edinburgh should ‘get a life’ 😂.

I’d give my right arm to have her life! I’d swap in a heartbeat. Glad to see you’re taking your own advice and popping to the shops.

Correct, she would be a billionaire but she gives too much away to charity and pays her tax in full with no shifty deals.

I mean, the utter joke of fucking Glamour magazine trying to pretend it can judge JKR. That takes some balls.

Thatstheheatingon · 01/11/2025 12:04

The picture says "women of the year" and there are no women.
who's misrepresenting? Well except Glamour, who could simply have put "Transwomen of the year"

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:03

The 'dolls' are one aspect of a much bigger thing. JKR is making it look as if they have replaced women in an award, when that simply isn't true. It's not the first time she's misrepresented something for clickbait. I think yabu.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/11/2025 12:02

An author whose books are so popular she is a billionaire (I read though that her charitable donations keeps her under billionaire status?), a woman who started and funds a rape crisis centre, who helped women out of Afghanistan and who gave £10m to fund a Regenerative Neurology Clinic at the RIE hospital in Edinburgh should ‘get a life’ 😂.

I’d give my right arm to have her life! I’d swap in a heartbeat. Glad to see you’re taking your own advice and popping to the shops.

ThatCyanCat · 01/11/2025 12:02

AngryBird6122 · 01/11/2025 11:44

Apparently for some women, men being on the cover makes them WANT to go and buy it, even if they haven't for years. Bizzare.

They're not buying men on the cover, they're buying a false sense of moral superiority. And they'd better buy it fast because it only comes out in print a couple of times a year now. It's been "focusing on its online presence" for several years, iyswim. Which has largely worked, to be fair, because it's no longer dependent on the quality of the shite it publishes.

Time was women weren't pretty or thin enough to be ideal women, now they're literally not man enough. There have always been women who think their virtue is tied to going along with whatever the new shite for women is, these times are no different.

VioletandDill · 01/11/2025 11:58

PS it's worth noting that the dolls are on A cover, not THE cover. They've done a cover starring each of the WOTY. I think I counted 8.

Hoppinggreen · 01/11/2025 11:57

Tofufuton · 01/11/2025 03:40

Fancy cramming in any more self-righteous buzzwords so we all get to know what a Good Person™ you are?

And fancy not protecting your daughters so you can virtue signal

VioletandDill · 01/11/2025 11:54

Ddakji · 01/11/2025 10:50

On X.

It's still really difficult to find the image on X unless you're actively searching for it, and even then I can only find JK's tweet and one image from Glamour which isn't that one. Most (as in the vast majority) of their WOTY posts are other people. On Instagram the Dolls occupy 2/45 of their WOTY posts. And I highly doubt that JK follows them otherwise, so she must have gone looking for it.

I conclude that JK ought to put the phone down and get a life.

Anyway, I'm off to the newsagents and then to get on with mine! I'll see whether there is actually a print version. Maybe it'll come back with all the publicity that Mr Galbraith has given it!