Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

TheKeatingFive · 01/11/2025 14:19

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 14:02

Do an internet search. It’s pretty clear and many many women don’t agree with her or the MN obsessives who have nothing better to do than start dull, nasty threads over and again. She is wrong.

As you were, enjoy your weekend of frothing and hatred spewing. Some of us have an enough confidence in being a woman that we can celebrate others and feeling empathy.

Show quote history

All you have in way of response is this emotional blustering.

What is wrong with people saying 'these men can dress how they like, but we're not going to pretend they're actually women because they aren't'.

Can you explain?

potpourree · 01/11/2025 14:10

Do an internet search
She said "Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?"

You don't seem able to articulate what you find wrong about that.

When I "did an internet search" to see what all the fuss was about trans people I saw shocking misogyny and homophobia from those insisting that being female somehow says something about someone as a person. That's why I consider it important to engage with instead of dishonestly handwaving away. Perhaps one day you might too.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/11/2025 14:08

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 14:02

Do an internet search. It’s pretty clear and many many women don’t agree with her or the MN obsessives who have nothing better to do than start dull, nasty threads over and again. She is wrong.

As you were, enjoy your weekend of frothing and hatred spewing. Some of us have an enough confidence in being a woman that we can celebrate others and feeling empathy.

Show quote history

‘Frothing’ 🤣 Out comes the bingo card.

Do you champion trans women in women’s sports too?

JellySaurus · 01/11/2025 14:06

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:44

Oh do give over they are absolutely not making the trans community to be better than women. In the magazines 30 year history trans women have only been on the cover twice, JK Rowling herself has been on it. It’s so dull and ridiculous, the levels of obsessiveness and attempts to make a meal out of nothing over and again. Has she seriously got nothing better to do and has she seriously got such a poor view of women that she feels they’re threatened by a magazine cover celebrating achievement. It’s really sad and she does women a dis service.

Show quote history

Of course Glamour are making out that trans-identifying men are better than women! They put 9 men on the cover and called them ‘women of the year’. 🙄

Hardly a cover, TBH. Hasn’t Glamour gone from a glossy mag, once read almost exclusively by women, to a merely clickbait-for-ads website desperate for any promotion?

Ablushingcrow · 01/11/2025 14:05

ByShyRaven · 31/10/2025 16:40

YABU. Great response from Glamour. Hatred of trans people is no different to the past prevalence and social acceptance of homophobia. Shame on anyone who agrees with JK Rowling.

You cannot be that stupid, surely.

SheilaH30 · 01/11/2025 14:03

JKR 100% correct.

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 14:02

StormyPotatoes · 01/11/2025 13:57

So regardless of whether you agree with it or not, what is it that you think her viewpoint is then?

Show quote history

Do an internet search. It’s pretty clear and many many women don’t agree with her or the MN obsessives who have nothing better to do than start dull, nasty threads over and again. She is wrong.

As you were, enjoy your weekend of frothing and hatred spewing. Some of us have an enough confidence in being a woman that we can celebrate others and feeling empathy.

potpourree · 01/11/2025 13:59

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:55

Have done thanks

Show quote history

You've summarised it? Where?
Or can you not actually put forward your viewpoint honestly?

lifeturnsonadime · 01/11/2025 13:59

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 13:58

Funny = it made me laugh. It’s as simple as that. You don’t get to police my sense of humour unless I’m laughing at something offensive.

Show quote history

I'm not policing your sense of humour at all. That's a leap. I'm simply asking what you find funny about it?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 13:58

lifeturnsonadime · 01/11/2025 13:55

I don't get your humour. What do you find funny about their response?

Show quote history

Funny = it made me laugh. It’s as simple as that. You don’t get to police my sense of humour unless I’m laughing at something offensive.

potpourree · 01/11/2025 13:57

I guess the weird 'comeback' that "women only complain about the notion of men literally becoming women when this is impossible because they aren't as feminine as these people!!!" might seem amusing the first time it's fired off, but after a decade of this being wheeled out again and again you start to wonder if they actually believe that is what people are complaining about. But that would mean they hadn't listened to any of the women, so.... obviously no way that's likely....

StormyPotatoes · 01/11/2025 13:57

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:55

Have done thanks

Show quote history

So regardless of whether you agree with it or not, what is it that you think her viewpoint is then?

lifeturnsonadime · 01/11/2025 13:55

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 13:55

Yes. A funny one.

Show quote history

I don't get your humour. What do you find funny about their response?

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:55

potpourree · 01/11/2025 13:54

it’s so dull and ridiculous, the levels of obsessiveness and attempts to make a meal out of nothing over and again.

Do you think you could accurately summarise her viewpoint (in a way she'd agree was accurate)?

If not, perhaps worth reading up on it?

Have done thanks

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 13:55

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 13:50

It was a sly dig.

Show quote history

Yes. A funny one.

potpourree · 01/11/2025 13:54

it’s so dull and ridiculous, the levels of obsessiveness and attempts to make a meal out of nothing over and again.

Do you think you could accurately summarise her viewpoint (in a way she'd agree was accurate)?

If not, perhaps worth reading up on it?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/11/2025 13:53

This relentless need to prioritise men with special feelings over women no matter what is tedious.

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:52

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 13:50

Women’s rights are tedious are they now? Nice

Show quote history

Nope she is tedious and so is her obsession.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 13:50

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:20

She absolutely isn’t right and Glamour UK’s response was spot on. They’ve only featured a trans woman twice ever on the cover so she needs to get off her tedious obsessive high horse.

Women’s rights are tedious are they now? Nice

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 01/11/2025 13:50

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/11/2025 12:53

I thought their response was really funny.

Show quote history

It was a sly dig.

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:44

JellySaurus · 01/11/2025 13:34

Go ahead and feature them on the cover, or do articles on them, why not? But pretend that they are women, and what’s more, make them out to be better at being women than actual women? No, absolutely not. JKR is right.

Show quote history

Oh do give over they are absolutely not making the trans community to be better than women. In the magazines 30 year history trans women have only been on the cover twice, JK Rowling herself has been on it. It’s so dull and ridiculous, the levels of obsessiveness and attempts to make a meal out of nothing over and again. Has she seriously got nothing better to do and has she seriously got such a poor view of women that she feels they’re threatened by a magazine cover celebrating achievement. It’s really sad and she does women a dis service.

JellySaurus · 01/11/2025 13:34

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:20

She absolutely isn’t right and Glamour UK’s response was spot on. They’ve only featured a trans woman twice ever on the cover so she needs to get off her tedious obsessive high horse.

Go ahead and feature them on the cover, or do articles on them, why not? But pretend that they are women, and what’s more, make them out to be better at being women than actual women? No, absolutely not. JKR is right.

ApplebyArrows · 01/11/2025 13:29

Perhaps real women should give up on the objectifying rubbish promoted by "women's magazines" and hand it all over to the transes, who appear to enjoy that sort of thing so much.

Similarly while my instinctive reaction to the word "dolls" to describe transwomen is that it's sickening misogynistic, at least it's not being applied to real women in this instance and if these weirdos want to pretend to be children's toys then maybe we should just let them.

Haz3lW00d · 01/11/2025 13:20

She absolutely isn’t right and Glamour UK’s response was spot on. They’ve only featured a trans woman twice ever on the cover so she needs to get off her tedious obsessive high horse.

WearyAuldWumman · 01/11/2025 13:19

Inertia · 01/11/2025 10:21

So I totally misunderstood what you meant by ‘Barbican had a transwoman with a tiny part’.

Show quote history

My brain initially misunderstood. I grasped the 'Barbie' - it was the rest that momentarily fazed me.