JK right again

TransWOMEN. we’re done ;)

Yes, I think it is.

As a woman, when you get to about 50 or 55 you become invisible. You get to do the heavy lifting of still supporting children, looking after aging parents and managing a job, with menopause thrown into the mix.

These men that will never experience the reality of actually being a woman can just fuck off with the dolls crap.

There isn’t.

‘Protect the dolls’ is misogynistic, objectifying crap. Every time I see it it reminds me of Andrea Chu Long saying that the epitome of woman was “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes.”

Yes, I'm struggling to see what, Steve a 6ft 2" welder from Wigan, needs protecting from exactly? Whether he's in a frock or not.

And the ‘dolls’ stuff? I’m struggling to think of a way in which that isn’t creepy, misogynist and dehumanising. Any ideas?

The $64,000 question. What exactly do they need protecting from? And how does taking prizes meant for women, and having their photo on the cover of a magazine, achieve that?

Maybe one of the posters who are all for this can explain?

People may choose to self-define as trans with no gender identity. However, that doesn’t mean that anyone with no gender identity must be trans.

I have no gender identity because I consider gender to be a misogynistic, capitalist tool of a profiteering patriarchy which actively harms women and children. The targeting of children in order to generate profits from a lifetime of unnecessary medicalisation is especially insidious. I refuse to define myself according to an ideology I totally object to.

I don’t have a Catholic identity either - that doesn’t mean I should self-define as a heathen. It’s simply an ideology which does not apply to me.

Horrible and violent men aren't women, nice and lovely men aren't women. Men just aren't women.

Can I get this on a t shirt?

When what you're saying is absurd, you have to reach for every form of argument (or rather, coercion) other than "because it's true". When you're trying to make men's wants outrank both women's needs and reality itself, you get this.

Like Sall Grover said, I'm just done with it. Men aren't women. They just aren't. That's a shame for all the nice ones who wish they were but they still aren't. There are plenty of nice women who wish they were men so they didn't have to deal with periods, menopause etc, and that's a shame for them, but they still aren't men.

Horrible and violent men aren't women, nice and lovely men aren't women. Men just aren't women.

Everyone knows men aren't women and by this point it's hard to see any justification for the insanity beyond thinking that women do indeed exist to serve and facilitate men to any degree even if everyone denies it. Even here, as always, we got the "but my lovely trans friends" stuff as if lovely female friends, or just women in general, don't matter now that a man you like wants to get his knob into the ladies'. Fuck's sake.

The sweet taste of righteousness indignation permeates some of this threads posts with a soupçon of aggression from those talking about their lovely trans friends. Is the aggressiveness born out of a defensiveness that everyone knows men aren’t and can never be women?

What do these men need protecting from exactly?

Not the bricks though? Only ever the dolls.

The Denton report explains a lot. And after the ground was laid, a huge amount of intimidation and emotional blackmail. A lot of people felt that if death and rape threats and genocide accusations were being made then even though that's wrong, it must mean JKR had said something truly evil even if nobody could say what it was, which is of course one reason for doing it. Naturally, women who made such threats to men would never get such sympathy but everyone knows who the women are.

I think a lot of people assumed it was more complicated than it was. The tide is turning because it's becoming clear that yes, they really did mean that men are actual women if they say they are and should get access to changing rooms, sports and so on on that basis. It really is that insane. There's no missing nuance.

Everyone knows men aren't women and by this point it's hard to see any justification for the insanity beyond thinking that women do indeed exist to serve and facilitate men to any degree even if everyone denies it. Even here, as always, we got the "but my lovely trans friends" stuff as if lovely female friends, or just women in general, don't matter now that a man you like wants to get his knob into the ladies'. Fuck's sake.

Now that they’re upfront and in your face about protecting transwomen? Absofuckinglutely! #ProtectTheDolls (

I don't think I will ever understand how we got here. Or why so many people mindlessly cheered it on.

I honestly believe we will look back on this with incredulous horror akin to how we look back at the Salem Witch Trials. A bizarre, temporary, mass hysteria event.

I couldn't care less what clothes TW wear. Or who they have sex with (assuming it's consensual). Whatever floats your boat.

But. They. Are. Forever. Biological. Men.

Yanbu

JKR is right again.

Men cos playing women winning awards is pathetic. Glamour magazine get in the bin.

I buy magazines, and so does my DD.

Nothing wrong in that.

Or maybe somebody else found it and sent it to her. I’m not on X but occasionally get sent things from there by friends/family.

Well if you listen to them you get what you get.

Flat earth and Tylenol causes autism.

Not according to US conservatives and Piers Morgan.

My no point was simply “get woke go broke” is fairly meaningless as many things that are labelled / have been labelled “woke” go on to be extremely successful.

Go take a look at the “ire” on trans supportive platforms towards gender critical feminist women. I don’t hate anyone. I just don’t believe these men are women, or that they have the right to be considered so. I think the whole ideology is misogynistic in the extreme.

Normally I would agree. In this case, however, the worst of the group is very often the precise reason why we need sex based rights and protections. So yes, the number of men who claim to be women who act exactly like violent men or fetishists may not be a reason to say all trans identified men are violent or fetishists (although an alarming number are) but they certainly are a reason to keep men out of women's spaces, and to demonstrate who is among those demanding access. No decent man would demand entry and no decent human would resort to threats, violence and vexatious litigation when told to use the correct spaces.

And of course, on point of fact, even if none of them were violent fetishists, none of them would be women and they are excluded on that basis alone. Access to unconsenting women isn't a reward for not attacking them and women's spaces exist for women's protection, not men's affirmation.