Andrew Lownie just said "We have to remember the royal family fought for a long time to protect Andrew and in fact tried to prevent investigations into him" on BBC news

I don’t believe for one minute that he will be sent to prison. I’m putting my money on a suspended sentence (if convicted).

And a Trump pardon for Ghislaine.

Clearly Queenie took it at face value as it was worth 12 million to her to cover it up .
An innocent man would be gagging for his day in court to get the truth out.
He would have pursued VG through every court in the land for telling lies about him .

But no
Mummy paid 12 million to make it go away. Not that Andrew ever met her of course,🙄

There were equivalent offences then, but with old-fashioned names. The trafficking legislation brought them all together under one statute and disposed of much archaic language and quite a few outmoded concepts.

Really wouldn’t surprise me if he committed suicide. I don’t like him and think he’s sleazy and clearly a nasty person but I think the press and public will push and push and he will end up doing something else rather than go to prison .

@MrsLeonFarrell apparently burrel hinted at letting out very private revelations so that's when she stood in

@Giddykiddy he's been on the radar for so long I do hope they can find deleted files but if you were andews wouldn't you buy the best forsenic computer people to delete everything ? I'm sure places like Saudi could without moral ties happily provide him with such services ?

I agree. By many accounts he has deeply serious character flaws and reprehensible behaviour. But he is being baited like a bear in a pit and I think some people will not be happy until he’s dead or even more humiliated. People are getting off on it.

Any idea what the rent is ? The cheapest three bedroom flat in Westminster according to Zoopla is £3000 a month and in Kensington it's £7300 a month.
Does anyone think they are paying the market rate for it ?

Just wait till they examine the contents of his computers, phones and burners. He's probably deleted loads of stuff but digital forensics will be able to see the deleted photos and emails. Gawd knows what's on there. Just finished Lownie's book - Entitled- besides all the sexual ( 40 hookers in 4 days to his rooms in Thailand while on tax payer business) stuff, the untold millions that went to him through his trade representative double dealing and the steps he took to launder those funds through Sarah and his daughters

accounts and foreign jurisdictions could see him on corruption and money laundering charges as well as misconduct. The scale of his sexual perversion ( Epstein said he made him look like an innocent) makes me shudder to think what they'll find.

The RF stumped up 15 million to shut her up. Mostly taxpayers money no doubt since that bunch of grifters never do a proper days work and they get given everything for free.

No. A "witch hunt" is when someone innocent is accused and punished. And usually a woman.

I agree with you.

In the UK at that time it was not illegal to have sex with a 17 year old trafficked woman (or a 17 year old prostitute). Maybe in the US he could be charged, but not here.

Ok, so maybe he has not committed a crime (to be debated) but his behaviour is not the standard expected by the member of the UK royal family. Whilst they have all had their affairs etc, having sex with teen girls, facilitated and organised by convicted sex offenders, orgies and hiring of prostitutes (probably using public money), and reputation as a sex pest is not deemed acceptable and crossing the line.

He is not in prison. He will have a very comfy house in a very nice estate but as a normal person where he can have all the women he wants as a member of the public and keep a low profile. He has essentially been fired from the royal family and all it stands for. Bearing in mind two of the working royal family members are trying to continue on whilst having cancer treatment I can see how Andrew and his mid life crisis antics have come to this conclusion.

I thought her allegations were about something that happened in London?

Paying for sex is not illegal.

What are you talking about?! Of course it’s illegal, for a start, if this was at JE’s island it comes under the US Virgin Islands laws … 18 is the legal age. Also he paid her money, apparently according to her book someone mentioned up thread - also illegal to pay for sex. She was also trafficked, so was under duress so he raped her!!
thats 3 counts in my head

He may do. But since he’s a serial liar, how will we differentiate between the truth and the gaslighting?

Tbf I rather think in later life the Queen had become rather senile I doubt she had her full faculties no doubt Charles was making some decisions as William is now

The law changed - rightly so, but it was not a crime at the time.

Until something else comes to light I’m not sure there are any criminal charges to answer for - at the time when Andrew had sex with Virginia Giuffre it was not illegal to have sex with a trafficked 17 year old. It was not illegal to have sex with a 17 year old prostitute either so I’m not sure what charge could be brought.

I read on Twitter (X) which is obvs very reliable…NOT that King C 111 wouldn’t sign off on the 12M his mum was paying VG until she (The Queen) was prepared to announce that she wanted Camilla to become Queen/Queen consort when she passed away. Interesting

At the time it was not an offence to have sex with a trafficked woman. It is now, but it was not then.

It was if he was conspiring. IMO Andrew needs investigating for his potential involvement in sex trafficking and conspiracy to engage in such activities in various countries, including Thailand, the UK and the US over many decades.

And the Chinese spy issues.

What crime has he committed? I am sure he did have sex with Virginia Giuffre just like she said and it was a disgraceful, immoral thing to do. However, it was not illegal to have sex with a trafficked 17 year old at that time so what he did was not illegal.