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Are English people treated worse than the rest of the UK?

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Haruka · 30/10/2025 07:22

Not a goady thread, I am foreign-born and reading the new rules on bus passes today has once again thrown up this question for me. Perhaps there are other systems in place and someone can shine a light on this and educate me.

But why is it that English people seem to constantly have worse conditions than the rest of Britain, and are we thus subsidising the other nations?

  • Bus passes: new rules will link eligibility in England to state pension age, while old people in Scotland and Wales will remain eligible from age 60
  • University fees: no tuition fees for Scots, but the other nations pay fees of almost 10k.
  • No prescription charges in Wales or Scotland, but English people pay £9.90 per item. We all use the NHS.
I'm sure there are more. I do not mean to insult anyone; these are just current rules. So why is it that in all 3 examples the English are worst off? Do people in the other nations pay more through taxes?
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TheNightingalesStarling · 30/10/2025 08:19

The whole thing just leads to circles of discontent. Minimum wage workers in The North see millionaires in the South getting free transport or school meals etc when they are relying on food banks or free University in Scotland and feel like they bottom of the geap, which then leads to do things like Reform...

Periperi2025 · 30/10/2025 08:14

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 08:06

But has much better infrastructure.

And vastly higher average salaries than rural areas of Wales/ Scotland/ NI.

Fionasapples · 30/10/2025 08:12

TofuEater · 30/10/2025 07:34

Londoners and Liverpudlians get free travel (with some exceptions) at 60.

Not just Liverpudlians. All people over 60 in the Merseyside area get free bus, ferry and local train travel. Most of them aren't from Liverpool.

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 08:06

Linenpickle · 30/10/2025 08:05

And also within England, the south/London suffers more with higher costs for property etc.

But has much better infrastructure.

Linenpickle · 30/10/2025 08:05

And also within England, the south/London suffers more with higher costs for property etc.

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 08:05

DelphiniumBlue · 30/10/2025 07:55

I wouldn’t agree that you get what you vote for. In England, I’m not aware that we have ever had the opportunity to vote for free prescriptions or bus passes nationally.
As for education, I remember being shocked when Tony Blair’s government introduced fees to go to university, and if it was in their manifesto it was kept very quiet. In England, when you vote you are voting on very general issues, eg do you want a right or left wing government, and single issues are less pertinent. Or you may find yourself voting for the party which promotes more of your values, but it doesn’t mean you agree with all of them. Or it may be the case that none of the people offering themselves up for election volunteer to promote an issue that may be important to an an individual . It might be that you are voting for the of a bad bunch. There is the lack of clarity factor on many contentious issues. There are numerous reasons why you can’t assume you get what you vote for.
And I think it’s the case that in a small population, a single vote carries more weight than that in a much more populous state.

There’s no more detail in a Welsh or Scottish manifesto. There may be fewer voters but their votes also impact fewer people.

Marmiteisthebest · 30/10/2025 08:04

The chart in the above link shows the unfairness in money given to devolved nations. This is the main driver of the disparity.

twinklystar23 · 30/10/2025 07:57

1 847 350 Scottish students attended university in 23/24. Approx 10k per head for costs. Quite a sum. Plus they still need to find money for all other provision, council, fire, police social care.

TheNightingalesStarling · 30/10/2025 07:57

Scotland Wales and NI have two "governments"... their own one (,Scottish Assembly etc) and the UK one. England just has the UK one. So England follows the National policy, and the other nations can overrule it.

If you want real "fun", find the people who live in one nation but work in the other... the tax and entitlements are a minefield.

DelphiniumBlue · 30/10/2025 07:55

AgnesX · 30/10/2025 07:36

You've got a whole internet to find information but the short answer is

You get what you vote for
Yes, Scotland pays more taxes, at least some of us do.

I wouldn’t agree that you get what you vote for. In England, I’m not aware that we have ever had the opportunity to vote for free prescriptions or bus passes nationally.
As for education, I remember being shocked when Tony Blair’s government introduced fees to go to university, and if it was in their manifesto it was kept very quiet. In England, when you vote you are voting on very general issues, eg do you want a right or left wing government, and single issues are less pertinent. Or you may find yourself voting for the party which promotes more of your values, but it doesn’t mean you agree with all of them. Or it may be the case that none of the people offering themselves up for election volunteer to promote an issue that may be important to an an individual . It might be that you are voting for the of a bad bunch. There is the lack of clarity factor on many contentious issues. There are numerous reasons why you can’t assume you get what you vote for.
And I think it’s the case that in a small population, a single vote carries more weight than that in a much more populous state.

Haruka · 30/10/2025 07:51

I think public transport outside of major cities is a shambles in general, @xanthomelana .

Thank you for your responses so far; I will look up the Barnett formula. So the NHS is different in different countries? Does funding not still come from a central body?

It is also interesting that numbers for free presciptions are so high in England. I mean yes, children get free prescriptions, as do OAPs, and I suspect that they make up a high amount of people needing prescriptions. I remember needing monthly medication and at one point I had to stop taking it, because I could not afford even that £9 a month, but I still was not eligible then.

I was lucky to do my degree here when tuition fees were still low, but my children are now at an age where university is fast approaching, and I dread the thought of them having to start life with almost 100k debt.

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zazazaaar · 30/10/2025 07:49

Because the English have chosen a right wing government, whereas Wales and Scoland have been more left leaning. Left wing government's provide better public services, for a higher tax. Whereas Right Wing government's except individuals to pay for their own services.
Reform and the Tories aim to remove the NHS entirely.
As for using Bartlett as example, it completely ignores the amount spent per head in the South East of the UK compared to the rest of the country in public money on infrastructure.

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 07:48

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 30/10/2025 07:47

Because England mostly votes in tory governments unlike Scotland and Wales.
Broadly speaking, right wing politics focus on individual wealth and left wing focus on social equality.
I say broadly speaking because the current labour government attacked the winter fuel allowance and disability benefits in a way that does not reflect usual left wing values.
I think the left flourishes in Scotland and Wales due to an ingrained collective memory of being the oppressed whilst England, being the oppressors, doesn’t have that memory.

Edited

The benefits bill is unsustainable. Left wing or right wing the government needs to do something about it.

Loads of pensioners do not need their WFA. It is used on holidays or gin!

edited for a mad typo!

Kaaardiffgalnow · 30/10/2025 07:47

xanthomelana · 30/10/2025 07:45

We might have free prescriptions in Wales but our NHS waiting times are worse. Same with the free bus passes, great but public transport is a shambles.

And worse educational outcomes.

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 30/10/2025 07:47

Because England mostly votes in tory governments unlike Scotland and Wales.
Broadly speaking, right wing politics focus on individual wealth and left wing focus on social equality.
I say broadly speaking because the current labour government attacked the winter fuel allowance and disability benefits in a way that does not reflect usual left wing values.
I think the left flourishes in Scotland and Wales due to an ingrained collective memory of being the oppressed whilst England, being the oppressors, doesn’t have that memory.

caringcarer · 30/10/2025 07:46

It really isn't fair but I blaythe Barnett formula for giving Scots far more per person. It should be changed.

xanthomelana · 30/10/2025 07:45

We might have free prescriptions in Wales but our NHS waiting times are worse. Same with the free bus passes, great but public transport is a shambles.

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 07:44

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 07:40

No prescription charges in Wales or Scotland, but English people pay £9.90 per item. We all use the NHS.

It’s not the same NHS though. NHS England is different to that NHS Wales and NHS Scotland and service levels and approach to commissioning aren’t necessarily comparable. Waiting lists in Wales are higher for example than England.

Additionally the majority of people in England are exempt from prescription charges for one reason or another.

”95.08% of prescription items are dispensed free of charge, with a total of approximately 60% of the population being exempt from paying” HofL.

So in reality whilst there is a charge most people don’t pay it.

TheWonderhorse · 30/10/2025 07:43

The population of Wales is older, and has more sick people, also delivering services to rural areas costs more per head.

childofthe607080s · 30/10/2025 07:41

Scottish people pay more taxes

crimes rates don’t rise with population- absolute values may do but most things the rates stay the same meaning the cost per head of pot hole repair and prisons stays the same

having high population density can make it easier to provide services like take away deliveries , health services ,public transport - just compare the public transport of London to the rest of the uk - although the extra ~£1000 per head for public transport in London does help - that’s not in Bartlett ao just a wee hint to not cherry pick your facts

LittleBearPad · 30/10/2025 07:40

No prescription charges in Wales or Scotland, but English people pay £9.90 per item. We all use the NHS.

It’s not the same NHS though. NHS England is different to that NHS Wales and NHS Scotland and service levels and approach to commissioning aren’t necessarily comparable. Waiting lists in Wales are higher for example than England.

Starhaf · 30/10/2025 07:39

because English people consistently voted for a conservative government while the other nations consistently elected other parties to govern. Different political parties have different priorities eg free prescriptions and car parking at hospitals, or free university education - plus it’s a political game to outshine England where we can.

rather than “England subsidising the other nations” it’s more accurate to say that the more economically productive parts of the UK (mainly London and the South East of England) generate a surplus that’s redistributed across the whole UK - including parts of northern England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

MyDogHumpsThings · 30/10/2025 07:38

I can’t speak for Scotland, but Wales has a more progressive government than the UK government, in my opinion. Hopefully this will continue after the elections next year.

The entire point of devolution was to give the people of Wales a better deal through having more control over decisions that affect us, as we felt relentlessly shafted by the UK Government. They exist to try to make things better or more relevant for the people of Wales (whether every decision they make is correct is not the point).

AgnesX · 30/10/2025 07:36

Haruka · 30/10/2025 07:23

Sorry, I forgot to disable the poll. I am simply after information.

You've got a whole internet to find information but the short answer is

You get what you vote for
Yes, Scotland pays more taxes, at least some of us do.