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To think it's time for a woman to be Prime Minister

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Cinnamon77 · 30/10/2025 06:34

It doesn't look like Starmer is going to be PM for much longer but all the favourites to replace him are men.

Every female PM we've had has been Conservative - no woman has ever led the Labour Party before.

Wouldn't it be an improvement to have a left wing woman running the country, like we've seen elsewhere? There are many good female MPs in Labour like Raynor, Mahmood, Huq, Phillips, Siddiq, Leadbeater, Thornberry, Dodds, Kendall, Haigh, Butler and Reeves (Ellie, not Rachel).

Why aren't any of them contenders and wouldn't we be doing better if one of them was in charge?

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Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 11:21

CoffeeCantata · 12/11/2025 11:19

This is a silly argument. For what it’s worth (very little in the big scheme) some of the most unpleasant medics I’ve had have been women. That’s purely anecdotal, and a chance sample- totally unscientific, but I don’t know why you think female docs are so infallible!

Of course its not a silly argument. Many women go to female doctors/ female midwives because they feel more comfortable.

My cousin just requested to have a female midwife, not male. The hospital did what she wanted.

CoffeeCantata · 12/11/2025 11:19

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:56

I didn't just meet them. I heard about pervy Doctors happening to other women too.
Men can become Doctors. But it is also my choice whether to use a male Doctor ot jot.

It's a risk assessment and I take my safety seriously.

I have never been raped by a male Uber driver. However I have read many stories about women who have Been raped by Uper drivers.

I had to get an Uber at 4am this morning tonget a flight. I chose a female driver as I want to feel safe. That feeling of safety is just brilliant.

This is a silly argument. For what it’s worth (very little in the big scheme) some of the most unpleasant medics I’ve had have been women. That’s purely anecdotal, and a chance sample- totally unscientific, but I don’t know why you think female docs are so infallible!

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 11:19

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:12

Do you understand the meaning of how something should be vs reality? I said that people should be selected for their jobs based on merit and merit only. It doesn't mean that's what's happening in real life every time. I don't know why all US presidents happen to be men. Maybe because there is someone like you out there, who just prefers men to be put forward 😉(joking!)

There is a lot wrong with politics and president's or PM's gender is probably the least of people's problems.

"Probably the least of people's problems"

Sexism and sexual abuse against women - is probably one of the biggest problems in the world..

If we have disrespect of women at the top, that disrespect filters down through society.

I have talked to men from countries where there is a female leader. The men are so much more advanced and respectful from those countries, than the men from countries where there is a male leader

CoffeeCantata · 12/11/2025 11:16

LaserPumpkin · 12/11/2025 10:04

I think menstrual leave is an appalling policy and would not be voting for any party who wants to implement that.

It can be part of reasonable adjustments for anyone who really suffers.

I’d prefer a government to sort out the economy and provide more opportunities for decent work for everyone. Not menstrual leave or leave for childcare.

Exactly. Fgs, why should a female PM be more concerned about gynaecology than a man? As I said upthread, if such things are important, and I’m not denying they might be, then they’re important to everyone, not just women.

I don’t like this idea that there are ‘women’s thing’ and ‘men’s things’. Health and employment conditions are everyone’s concern, or should be. We don’t necessarily need a woman for these reasons.

A woman PM should focus on the most pressing matters at the time, as a man would…which are likely to be the economy, the NHS, immigration policy and foreign policy.

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:13

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 11:07

As of 2025, 58 people (55 men and 3 women) have served as prime minister in the U.K.

It definitely wasn't the "best candidate" every time. It was to do with gender. Men had power and men did not want women to have power over them

Edited

Yes, ok, we can argue till the cows come home but from what I can see those 3 women didn't do any wonders for the country any more than all those men!

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:12

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:40

So what is your opinion on the USA president always being male, as far back as USA history goes?

Was it it best candidate each time? Or did they get in because of their gender?

Do you understand the meaning of how something should be vs reality? I said that people should be selected for their jobs based on merit and merit only. It doesn't mean that's what's happening in real life every time. I don't know why all US presidents happen to be men. Maybe because there is someone like you out there, who just prefers men to be put forward 😉(joking!)

There is a lot wrong with politics and president's or PM's gender is probably the least of people's problems.

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 11:07

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:06

Never? So what gender were Thatcher, May, Truss, Ardern, Sturgeon? And who are Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, Shabhana Mahmood, Bridget Phillipson?

As of 2025, 58 people (55 men and 3 women) have served as prime minister in the U.K.

It definitely wasn't the "best candidate" every time. It was to do with gender. Men had power and men did not want women to have power over them

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:07

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:06

Never? So what gender were Thatcher, May, Truss, Ardern, Sturgeon? And who are Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, Shabhana Mahmood, Bridget Phillipson?

And by the way, I don't think those are particularly competent! 😃

CoffeeCantata · 12/11/2025 11:07

Davros · 12/11/2025 10:31

Come on, let’s have Diane Abbot

😂😮

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 11:06

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:57

But that has never happened in Politics!
Men have been chosen over women in Politics PRECISELY because of their gender!

Never? So what gender were Thatcher, May, Truss, Ardern, Sturgeon? And who are Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves, Shabhana Mahmood, Bridget Phillipson?

Stressedoutmummyof3 · 12/11/2025 11:04

It won't make any difference who's PM because it's not them that makes the decisions, it's the suits behind them.
In the 70s or 80s there was a program called Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister. They were comedies but according to Thatcher very true to life. It's the people behind the scenes that make the decisions and that won't change no matter who's in charge.

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:57

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:55

Where did I say it wasn't ok for women to prefer female doctors, dentists or whoever? I am just saying that people should be selected for their jobs on merit, i.e. their competence, skill, experience etc rather than on the basis of their gender! 🙄

But that has never happened in Politics!
Men have been chosen over women in Politics PRECISELY because of their gender!

StillCreatingAName · 12/11/2025 10:57

Cinnamon77 · 30/10/2025 08:42

New Zealand. Scotland. Iceland. All had left wing women as leaders and all did very well. Progressive countries that are welcoming to refugees and have good healthcare

Yes, because the woman in charge of Scotland ‘did very well’ for women of course 🙄

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:56

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:53

Yes, I get that you do because you met some pervy doctors. And like I said, it's a different issue. I am not going to start thinking that all male doctors are pervs or that men as a group should somehow have less favour in applying for jobs than women because some men happen to be pervs.

I didn't just meet them. I heard about pervy Doctors happening to other women too.
Men can become Doctors. But it is also my choice whether to use a male Doctor ot jot.

It's a risk assessment and I take my safety seriously.

I have never been raped by a male Uber driver. However I have read many stories about women who have Been raped by Uper drivers.

I had to get an Uber at 4am this morning tonget a flight. I chose a female driver as I want to feel safe. That feeling of safety is just brilliant.

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:55

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:53

Yes thats your prerogative too. I think ita okay for women to want female Doctors, Dentists, midwives etc

Where did I say it wasn't ok for women to prefer female doctors, dentists or whoever? I am just saying that people should be selected for their jobs on merit, i.e. their competence, skill, experience etc rather than on the basis of their gender! 🙄

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:53

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:48

I prefer female Doctors. Because I have met some very pervy male doctors. Whem I was growing up, my local male Doctor got struck off for touching many teenage patients breasts.

They would go in for a sore throat. He would tell them to strip and touch their breasts

Yes, I get that you do because you met some pervy doctors. And like I said, it's a different issue. I am not going to start thinking that all male doctors are pervs or that men as a group should somehow have less favour in applying for jobs than women because some men happen to be pervs.

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:53

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:50

That's your prerogative. It doesn't mean that all doctors, dentists or any other professionals should now have gender listed among selection criteria for their jobs. I personally don't care if my dentist or doctor is a man or a woman. I just would like a competent one. And, no, I am not saying that I'd love my dentist or doctor to be inappropriate with me. Like I said, this is a different issue.

Yes thats your prerogative too. I think ita okay for women to want female Doctors, Dentists, midwives etc

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:50

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:42

I prefer women Doctors and Dentists.

I have had two male Doctors and one male Dentist be inappropriate with me enough to make me feel uncomfortable

I know a lot of women that prefer going to women Doctors.

That's your prerogative. It doesn't mean that all doctors, dentists or any other professionals should now have gender listed among selection criteria for their jobs. I personally don't care if my dentist or doctor is a man or a woman. I just would like a competent one. And, no, I am not saying that I'd love my dentist or doctor to be inappropriate with me. Like I said, this is a different issue.

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:48

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:47

And I am pretty confident that most people just want their doctors and other professionals they interact with to be competent in what they do! Yes, some people care about their gender but that's not most people!

I prefer female Doctors. Because I have met some very pervy male doctors. Whem I was growing up, my local male Doctor got struck off for touching many teenage patients breasts.

They would go in for a sore throat. He would tell them to strip and touch their breasts

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:47

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:39

That poster wrote that most people don't care if their Doctor is a man or a woman.

I wrote that several women that I know havr told me that they do prefer their Doctor to be a woman, not a man.

And I am pretty confident that most people just want their doctors and other professionals they interact with to be competent in what they do! Yes, some people care about their gender but that's not most people!

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:45

LaserPumpkin · 12/11/2025 10:43

I was curious so looked it up.

Reproductive leave does not exist everywhere in Australia. And a lot of the actual medical things covered are also in UK law. Just not badged as “reproductive leave”.

About the only thing that isn’t is menstrual leave. Which is a stupid concept for most women who are perfectly able to work through their periods (I do appreciate there are women who aren’t - which is where better healthcare should come in, rather than leave, to actually address the underlying issue)

I don't agree that most women are perfectly able to work through their periods.

Science has said that period cramps are as painful as heart attacks.

It depends on age too. Women coming into their 40s, who go through peri menopause and menopause should definitely be able to get menstual leave. Our hormones naturually change in our 40s.

My periods were bearable in my twenties. In my fortiez - my periods are horrendous

LaserPumpkin · 12/11/2025 10:43

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:32

It doesn't have to be titled "menstrual leave".

It can be titled "reproductive leave".

And men can take this leave too.

This is already what happens in Australia.

Reproductive leave is already in place in Australia

I was curious so looked it up.

Reproductive leave does not exist everywhere in Australia. And a lot of the actual medical things covered are also in UK law. Just not badged as “reproductive leave”.

About the only thing that isn’t is menstrual leave. Which is a stupid concept for most women who are perfectly able to work through their periods (I do appreciate there are women who aren’t - which is where better healthcare should come in, rather than leave, to actually address the underlying issue)

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:42

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:39

In what way is it misplaced and what does confidence have to do with anything I said? All I am saying is that I want my doctors to be competent in what they do. I don't care if they are men or women, what race or religion they are etc.

I prefer women Doctors and Dentists.

I have had two male Doctors and one male Dentist be inappropriate with me enough to make me feel uncomfortable

I know a lot of women that prefer going to women Doctors.

Finto1111 · 12/11/2025 10:40

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:38

I can see it annoys you but I still believe that people should be selected for their jobs on the basis of their competence and experience to do them rather than their gender.

So what is your opinion on the USA president always being male, as far back as USA history goes?

Was it it best candidate each time? Or did they get in because of their gender?

vellichoria · 12/11/2025 10:39

Davros · 12/11/2025 10:37

I think your confidence is misplaced when it comes to Doctors, HCPs and care

In what way is it misplaced and what does confidence have to do with anything I said? All I am saying is that I want my doctors to be competent in what they do. I don't care if they are men or women, what race or religion they are etc.