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To think top universities should do better encouraging respectful debate?

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F1rstDoNoHarm · 29/10/2025 09:10

"A hero in Oxford University’s Biology Department has been putting post-it notes with challenging quotes on top of trans propaganda. In response, Oxford has launched a 'formal investigation into unacceptable defacing'. When the 'culprit is caught', they’ve threatened expulsion." (James Esses, therapist and investigative journalist.)

Am I being unreasonable to think that the University of Oxford of all places should be able to cope with a piece of paper presenting an opposing view on a notice board, rather than seek to silence critical thinking and biological reality? Oxford isn't your average university - it'd be great if they kept it that way!

Am I being unreasonable?

  • Yes you are being unreasonable - the 'culprit' must be found and investigated. Quotes on post-it notes on a notice board are entirely unacceptable.
  • No you are NOT being unreasonable - the university should encourage an open debate and welcome all views when it comes to contested beliefs.

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1980298054105477172

James Esses (@JamesEsses) on X

A hero in Oxford University’s Biology Department has been putting post-it notes with challenging quotes on top of trans propaganda. In response, Oxford has launched a “formal investigation into unacceptable defacing”. When the “culprit is caught”, the...

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1980298054105477172

OP posts:
Ddakji · 29/10/2025 10:11

I’ve had another look and the stickers aren’t actually stopping the information on the posters being accessed. Unlike trans activists, who interfere with freedom of speech by stopping others from being heard, this isn’t stopping anyone from reading that poster.

Acafan · 29/10/2025 10:01

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:56

Are you in favour of expulsion for all such stickering? Because I think you would find that there would be people sent down from all sides of the political spectrum, if it was consistently applied. Personally I think that would be draconian and disproportionate.

For stickering alone? Yes, it would be inappropriate.

For continuing to engage in a behaviour when your manager/head of department has told you to stop, and not engaging with them to discuss a way in which you can express your views without vandalising university notice boards? Maybe it is appropriate.

As I said, people have a right to express opinions. They don't have a right to deface workplace notices.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:56

Acafan · 29/10/2025 09:49

Defacing a university noticeboard is not free speech. It's vandalism.

If the poster wants to put their own notices up separately explaining their views, that's fine. They don't have the right to cover up notices placed by others, especially official university communications.

Also these emails are from a year ago! That investigation is probably concluded. Why is a "journalist" digging it up now?

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Are you in favour of expulsion for all such stickering? Because I think you would find that there would be people sent down from all sides of the political spectrum, if it was consistently applied. Personally I think that would be draconian and disproportionate.

JHound · 29/10/2025 09:50

I cannot imagine being this sad and pathetic.

Why deface somebody else’s sign because you have an issue with it. Just make your own posters. Good Lord!

Acafan · 29/10/2025 09:49

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:37

You’d have to really stretch to decide a quote on a Pride progress flag with an explanation label about how it came to replace the original rainbow, was a challenge to the original rainbow meaning rather than the progress aspect. Anyone suggesting that is disingenuous imo.

Besides, even if it had been, quotes which are challenging but not in themselves homophobic in any way whatsoever should not be grounds for expulsion in an organisation that believes in free speech.

Defacing a university noticeboard is not free speech. It's vandalism.

If the poster wants to put their own notices up separately explaining their views, that's fine. They don't have the right to cover up notices placed by others, especially official university communications.

Also these emails are from a year ago! That investigation is probably concluded. Why is a "journalist" digging it up now?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:49

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 29/10/2025 09:45

Someone who sees "challenging" notes attached to LGBTQ+ posters and instantly assumes that they can only refer to trans people is someone who is so obsessed with a single issue that they cannot possibly believe that other people may have different agendas.

Are you not aware that there's a whole bunch of people out there who think that you can be indoctrinated into being lesbian/gay/bisexual, just as many people on mumsnet think that you can be indoctrinated into being trans?

Of course there is, but they don’t tend to communicate via George Orwell quotes.

Ddakji · 29/10/2025 09:48

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 29/10/2025 09:26

Those notes were being placed on posters for LGBTQ+ initiatives. What is it that makes you think the notes were solely a "challenge" to the T part of LGBTQ+?

The alphabet soup isn’t a sacred cow. Their “initiatives” can be challenged.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 29/10/2025 09:45

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:37

You’d have to really stretch to decide a quote on a Pride progress flag with an explanation label about how it came to replace the original rainbow, was a challenge to the original rainbow meaning rather than the progress aspect. Anyone suggesting that is disingenuous imo.

Besides, even if it had been, quotes which are challenging but not in themselves homophobic in any way whatsoever should not be grounds for expulsion in an organisation that believes in free speech.

Someone who sees "challenging" notes attached to LGBTQ+ posters and instantly assumes that they can only refer to trans people is someone who is so obsessed with a single issue that they cannot possibly believe that other people may have different agendas.

Are you not aware that there's a whole bunch of people out there who think that you can be indoctrinated into being lesbian/gay/bisexual, just as many people on mumsnet think that you can be indoctrinated into being trans?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:37

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 29/10/2025 09:26

Those notes were being placed on posters for LGBTQ+ initiatives. What is it that makes you think the notes were solely a "challenge" to the T part of LGBTQ+?

You’d have to really stretch to decide a quote on a Pride progress flag with an explanation label about how it came to replace the original rainbow, was a challenge to the original rainbow meaning rather than the progress aspect. Anyone suggesting that is disingenuous imo.

Besides, even if it had been, quotes which are challenging but not in themselves homophobic in any way whatsoever should not be grounds for expulsion in an organisation that believes in free speech.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 29/10/2025 09:26

Those notes were being placed on posters for LGBTQ+ initiatives. What is it that makes you think the notes were solely a "challenge" to the T part of LGBTQ+?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2025 09:18

YANBU. The real shocker is what happened to one of the young women who later set up the Cambridge University society for women when she was seen buying gender critical books.
The universities should be ashamed to have allowed an environment to develop in which such bullying is acceptable, and should regard it as a crisis requiring immediate action.