Feminism sold a lie - Women, today, are worse off than ever

Your Grandmother was very fortunate that when she settled to married life at 18 years old, presumably having left education at 15/16 (?) with the level of qualifications/opportunities that would have afforded her, that she did it with a kind and decent man. A man who chose to treat her generously and allow her to live her dream. You must see however that this was down to good luck rather than 'better times for women'? All that was needed was for your grandfather to be a different type of man and you could be telling a story of a teenage girl trapped in domesticity, answerable to her husband for every penny, no autonomy and no options.
You can't afford a house at 26 without a man, well neither could she. The difference is if you don't meet one, you have the education and opportunities to buy yourself a better standard of living than she could have dreamed of as a single woman. And if you do meet one and it doesn't work out, you can leave him.

Women, today, are worse off than ever

I wouldn't have the choice to live the life I do at pretty much any point in history before the last 50 years.
I own my own home, have a successful career and am single. I didn't need a man to get a mortgage (or a bank account or credit card), nor am I dependent on one who I had to marry for financial security.
If I was married though my husband would no longer be legally allowed to rape me. While there is work to be done still, my employers aren't allowed to pay me less than a man for the same job.
Your fight is with capitalism, not feminism.

Why aren’t you married straight out of school? Surely that’s the biggest difference between you and your grandma - she had two incomes to buy a house with much earlier than you did.

My grandma lived in a small two bed terrace with a husband in the navy who was barely there and had to give up her loved career as a nurse to raise three kids in a two bed house. Those kids walked to school for 2+ miles in clothes that barely fit them, my dad often in his sister’s hand me down uniform.

On the other hand, by the time I was 29 I owned two properties, one a four bed detached, was well on my way in a professional career, 2+ international holidays - one of which is usually long haul and two cars.

You’re deluded if you think my grandma’s generation has a better chance than I did to make a go of life.

Of course 2 salaries per average household would have had a negative impact on the property prices. The average house price is roughly 4.5 times a household's income if 2 adults were working full time on average salaries, so makes these inflated prices more affordable as long as you got 2 working.

However if looking at the 1st step on the ladder houses. Myself and 2 other women similar ages (late 30s to early 40s) have all been able to buy 1 of these alone within the last 7 years, all still able to eat out, gym membership, all run cars and all are able to afford (and feel safe enough) to go abroad on solo adventures. If it wasn't for feminism we wouldn't have achieved none of this. We would have been stuck with our shitty exes to ensure we are housed an fed. Or be living in a life of poverty. No thanks, know which side of my bread is buttered.

Also there are still homes with SAHP, you see posts from them on here every day, and surely you must see SAHP in daily life when out and about? Those households just cut their cloth accordingly. Either 1 is a high earner, or they have made it affordable by not spending too much on things they don't value. Maybe they don't want to stretch themselves with bigger houses than they could afford off 1 salary, they are happy with 1 car per family, or whatever else they have had to do to make that work

Sorry but I disagree. I am single by choice have a great career. That would not have been possible in the 1970s.

I would have been a typist not a director. I would still have had to live with my parents. I wouldn’t have been able to get a mortgage as a single female. Women weren’t even allowed credit cards until 1975!

I was able to go to university - no one batted an eyelid.

some women and men make crappy choices. But at least women can make those choices now.

I think ‘pink’ jobs are so much easier now.

Lol. Nah. Women have always worked for pay. Always. Right throughout history in every single culture. It's bizarre how many women watched a couple of middle class sitcoms and suddenly though women didn't work for pay throughout history. The tiniest number of women ever stayed home as housewifes without working.

And up until very recently a man could rape his wife without it being a crime, women could not get loans or credit cards without a man's guarantee, and then of course there's the vote.

Feminism is absolutely fucked now of course, as it means nothing, you can be pro prostitution, anti prostitution, pro abortion, anti abortion, pro women's human rights, anti women's human rights and still call yourself a feminist.

The main thing that has harmed women is the prostitution and pornography industries trying hard to jam themselves into every facet of life, fucking up men's brains and making anal rape and other fringe practices a demand from the mainstream. A constant stream of ever more degraded and grotesque porn has absolutely ruined men (as a group) and relationships.

Cars were rare, and expensive

Cars were not rare in the 80s...

Yes, why are most carers and cleaners still women? Why are more women choosing to train as nurses and not doctors? Feminism, you’re not finished, mate!

Yeah gets women into the habit of " default parent" then they whinge when they finally return to work and the partners aren't used to pulling their weight

Xennial cusp. In my childhood, many mums worked part time, but didn't really have careers with equal progression opportunities to men.

Women were still facing shame for children born/ raised outside of wedlock.

Women had already won the right to equal work for equal pay. Maternity rights have improved... my mother returned to work after 3 weeks out of financial necessity.

We are the closest to equal opportunities (at least legally) than we have ever been.

The greatest issue is usually men not upping their game in domestic life to balance the increased demand of their female partner's working life.

I once read a comment on here that traditional "blue" jobs have benefited more from automation, efficiency and low maintainence developments than traditional "pink" jobs. Modern cars can't be tinkered with much, gardens can require minimal maintainence and DIY can be outsourced or be simplified. These types of chores are also not daily or even weekly unlike chores like laundry, cooking, washing up or childcare.

Not enough men put in a fair effort in to unpaid domestic roles.

Toxic mascilinity is the problem, not feminism.

I’m not sure we can blame men for women making poor career choices. There’s absolutely no reason a woman should pick a nail tech career over a career as an electrician if she doesn’t want to. That’s what feminism gave us.

this is such twadlle.

YABU and sounding quite ignorant of social history, in truth.

You’d have to be a truly brain dead moron to think women are “worse off than ever”.

Also a millennial and thank God no woman I spend time with would share such idiotic views.

I feel the same

I'm a millennial & I want to work. My DH is hands on with chores & dc & that's the norm for my friends.

Does anyone remember the midnight misogynist? He used to post about how the girls in the office didn't agree with feminism, anyone else think this might be him?

But not with all that stuff. I lived in a3 bed large terrace house. However we didn't have any car never mind two. We walked or got bus to school, didn't go to ," clubs" until teens then we got ourselves there. And no foreign holidays either. Caravan park every couple of years

Errr... I won't ask about your background but my grandma never worked except during the war, and no one "owed" her or deprived her of any choice 🤷‍♀️

Amusing reply as I’m in the services myself and know first hand what I’d be sending her into.

Well then you’re just perpetuating the problem. Be the change you want to see.

Exactly. Elizabeth Bennett told Jane she could marry for love but just to make sure she fell in love with a rich man. Nothing changes.

OP is from the Andrew Tate school of feminism.

Absolutely this.

I remember the women in 90s coming back to work after maternity leave. It sounded like bloody hard work and not much fun.

i work part time and don’t have kids. Can’t say I have any regrets on that front.

I actually work in a traditionally male dominated role where I face danger every day in the same manner as my male colleagues but also face significant discrimination and get regular comments regarding my size and physical capacity from the public. I’m incidentally masters educated and married to the incidental bricklayer who out-earns me. He’s lovely and he steps up at home but it’s not expected of him in the same way it’s still expected of me, jobs notwithstanding.