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to be shocked at the demise of adult education?

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Goldfsh · 28/10/2025 14:43

Now I have an empty nest, I was hoping to start some adult education classes in academic topics that interest me, e.g. history or literature.

Having contacted the two local colleges who used to drop brochures for adult classes through the door, I've learnt that they don't exist any more!

There are some online classes, or courses to get back into work, and some painting type classes - or U3A if you are semi-retired (I am far from that unfortunately!). But no general education classes.

I found this very depressing. I really wanted to learn something new and connect with local people too. AIBU to be shocked that these sorts of classes are a thing of the past?

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Squirrelintree · 30/10/2025 19:09

Have you looked up specific clubs/organisations/activities for your interests? I live in a city (not London) which has lots of "adult education" options but some of the better ones are independent. I attend a brilliant weekly language class run by a native speaker and have done quite a few courses (interior design, wine-tasting, pottery) at an independent centre here. Also see if there is anything on meetup.com in your area.

Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 19:05

taxguru · 30/10/2025 18:45

I wasn't talking about "fun". I was talking about adults wanting career changes or to advance their careers with professional qualifications etc., where the lack of specific GCSE or A level subjects (or grades not high enough) prevents them from changing direction/advancing. It's a travesty that there are people unable to change careers or advance their career due to lack of the "right" GCSE or A level subject/grades.

But that can be done online these days.
It makes more sense as I expect numbers wanting to study formal qualifications like GCSEs and A levels as adults isn't that massive so by courses running online mean that it can cover a reasonable amount of students from all over the country in one class.
Average Town College probably wouldn't get the numbers to financially run a class (I can't imagine that 30 adults in one town suddenly decide they want to learn accounting or whatever).

taxguru · 30/10/2025 18:48

DarkPassenger1 · 30/10/2025 18:00

It's so sad. It says a lot about how we value education as a society.

I went to adult education in my twenties, after finishing my degree, and managed to get a few certificates that I later went on to use, and that got me better jobs. I've checked over the years what else is available, as I'd love to continue learning, and it doesn't seem to exist anymore. I can't believe such a crucial thing has been quietly rescinded.

It says a lot about Blair's obsession with his crazy aim of 50% of school leavers going to uni. All resources were directed towards the 16-19 age group and all because he wanted to massage the statistics for growth and GDP and house price growth etc by getting youngsters into huge debt, with the borrowed money being spent on renting a flat and paying tuition fees, so basically using borrowed money to prop up the housing market and finance the growth in universities.

taxguru · 30/10/2025 18:45

Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 15:16

The reality is the funding needs to focus on those students.
Currently schools are underfunded. SEN schools especially (there isn't even enough of them).
Those who are struggling in school, missing school, have SEN - they NEED the funding before they reach 19. They need that help then.
Unfortunately the pot of money isn't enough for both helping those who are actually school age and need that help/support plus adults who want to study something for "fun". In a perfect world we would have both. But currently we simply can't afford both.
The priority needs to be those currently in school (or not if they can't cope there) to stop them falling through the net and being left behind.
My daughter is 17. She has no GCSEs. Maybe I am selfish but I would like the funding to go towards students like her - not some bored adults who want to do some classes for the fun of it.
Also no one needs a career change. They want one.

I wasn't talking about "fun". I was talking about adults wanting career changes or to advance their careers with professional qualifications etc., where the lack of specific GCSE or A level subjects (or grades not high enough) prevents them from changing direction/advancing. It's a travesty that there are people unable to change careers or advance their career due to lack of the "right" GCSE or A level subject/grades.

Howyoualldoworkme · 30/10/2025 18:34

dynamiccactus · 29/10/2025 15:44

That's my area but all that's happening in my (quite large) local library is stuff for children and toddlers 🙄

DarkPassenger1 · 30/10/2025 18:00

It's so sad. It says a lot about how we value education as a society.

I went to adult education in my twenties, after finishing my degree, and managed to get a few certificates that I later went on to use, and that got me better jobs. I've checked over the years what else is available, as I'd love to continue learning, and it doesn't seem to exist anymore. I can't believe such a crucial thing has been quietly rescinded.

gingersnappz · 30/10/2025 17:55

Have you tried the skills connect website? All the south west WEMCA region colleges post their adult courses on there.

Funding is an issue, as is eligibility for course funding and evidence to show progression and positive destinations for funding audits. That leaves you with putting on leisure courses which aren’t funded, and therefore cost a large amount.

Not sure where specifically in the SW you are, but Bristol council holds a funding pot for adult courses as does the Well-being Community Hub in Bath. Bath College run leisure and funded provision as does SGS.

Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 15:50

@Goldfsh my point is - which I have said several times on this thread - that although formal classes don't seem to exist in colleges anymore there is actually so much out there in other forms.
Community classes, groups or societies.
Private tutors. Online learning.

JJkate · 30/10/2025 15:48

Bread and roses

Goldfsh · 30/10/2025 15:35

Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 15:32

Ok that's a valid point.
We need more vocational skills being taught in general (for both school age teens and adults) so if any funding is increased that should be what's offered.
I would be ok with funding for adults if it's to gain a specific qualification leading to a specific job.
But conversational Spanish, pottery and creative writing - sorry no. The government doesn't need to fund that.

I disagree TBH because I think the wider benefits are more than "just learning" - but I've already made that point.

Regarding career changes and skills shortages - there's definitely a need for this. I've been attending a few conferences recently where certain sectors (e.g. green energy) have a desperate staff shortage - but they are just after teenagers, not middle-aged women who need a new challenge. There's no way in for most of us!!

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Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 15:32

Goldfsh · 30/10/2025 15:20

"Also no one needs a career change. They want one."

Actually lots of us will shortly be needing career changes @Needmorelego due to AI taking out vast numbers of jobs (current estimates around one million jobs - plenty have already gone in the sector I work in). Lots of us are finding the skills that paid our bills for thirty years are fuck-all use in the next ten or twenty.

Ok that's a valid point.
We need more vocational skills being taught in general (for both school age teens and adults) so if any funding is increased that should be what's offered.
I would be ok with funding for adults if it's to gain a specific qualification leading to a specific job.
But conversational Spanish, pottery and creative writing - sorry no. The government doesn't need to fund that.

Goldfsh · 30/10/2025 15:20

"Also no one needs a career change. They want one."

Actually lots of us will shortly be needing career changes @Needmorelego due to AI taking out vast numbers of jobs (current estimates around one million jobs - plenty have already gone in the sector I work in). Lots of us are finding the skills that paid our bills for thirty years are fuck-all use in the next ten or twenty.

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Needmorelego · 30/10/2025 15:16

taxguru · 30/10/2025 15:05

Fine in theory. But what about reality? What about people who got basic "passes" in their GCSE's but need higher grades to access professional body entry schemes? What about people without A levels who find they need them in later life? What about mature people wanting a career change and finding they need different GCSE's/A levels? You can't write off entire generations on the grounds that "they should have got their GCSE's before they were 19!".

The reality is the funding needs to focus on those students.
Currently schools are underfunded. SEN schools especially (there isn't even enough of them).
Those who are struggling in school, missing school, have SEN - they NEED the funding before they reach 19. They need that help then.
Unfortunately the pot of money isn't enough for both helping those who are actually school age and need that help/support plus adults who want to study something for "fun". In a perfect world we would have both. But currently we simply can't afford both.
The priority needs to be those currently in school (or not if they can't cope there) to stop them falling through the net and being left behind.
My daughter is 17. She has no GCSEs. Maybe I am selfish but I would like the funding to go towards students like her - not some bored adults who want to do some classes for the fun of it.
Also no one needs a career change. They want one.

Pjnow · 30/10/2025 15:06

I looked at the possibilitynof doing an Alevel just for fun, or somethjng through OU, and was really shocked at the cost

taxguru · 30/10/2025 15:05

Needmorelego · 29/10/2025 19:35

16-19 year olds can do other GCSEs or equivalent like btec at 6th Form or colleges.
If it all goes horribly wrong in Year 11 then there's 3 more years of education available to do some Level 2 (GCSE etc) subjects. The theory is unless there's extreme circumstances or SEN then no one should get to 19 without having any GCSEs.
That's why the need for GCSEs as night classes really isn't there anymore.
(Edit : if they have a EHCP then education can continue for free up to age 25)

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Fine in theory. But what about reality? What about people who got basic "passes" in their GCSE's but need higher grades to access professional body entry schemes? What about people without A levels who find they need them in later life? What about mature people wanting a career change and finding they need different GCSE's/A levels? You can't write off entire generations on the grounds that "they should have got their GCSE's before they were 19!".

XenoBitch · 30/10/2025 15:04

AreThereSomewhereIslands · 30/10/2025 15:01

Are you in West Sussex too, @XenoBitch, or do we reckon this experience is country-wide now?

No, I am in Wiltshire.

AreThereSomewhereIslands · 30/10/2025 15:01

XenoBitch · 28/10/2025 18:44

YANBU
My local college used to offer loads of classes for adults. Lots of GCSEs and A-levels to choose from too. I had a friend who did A-level Psychology for fun.

Now, no A-levels, and the only GCSEs you can do are English and Maths.

Even Access courses are limited now. Years ago, there were several different ones you could do. You could do Access to IT, Access to Science... basically you could use them to do pretty much any uni course after. Now, all on offer is Access to Nursing. And the price of that has shot up. When I did it, I paid £250. Now it is a couple of grand.

Are you in West Sussex too, @XenoBitch, or do we reckon this experience is country-wide now?

KeepDancing1 · 30/10/2025 14:45

Nocookiesforme · 28/10/2025 19:32

I think that a few posters on here have hit the nail on the head - it's the loss of opportunity to better yourself or improve your employability that's been totally lost now. And that's saddest of all

I also suspect it’s part of the reason so many more people have become isolated, lonely, anxious and depressed.

ConverseAddict · 30/10/2025 13:44

I did drop out of silversmithing when OFSTED got involved, we did very little actual work at the end and we were meant to spend our time doing research and writing. Some people had attended for a decade and just got on with their own projects with help from the teacher.

CarlaH · 30/10/2025 12:45

DPotter · 29/10/2025 23:54

This was the OFSTED era - when even non exam, leisure courses had to demonstrate students improved their economic standing and employability. Totally daft and I have tales to tell.

Fortunately OFSTED are no longer interested with the change in funding so no one has to fill in any aims or objectives.

I would say that that is very good news because, as I said upthread, doing a pottery class for enjoyment did not lend itself to having to write mission statements about how you were going to use it to progress in life.

However it appears to be a moot point now as such classes seem to have disappeared.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 30/10/2025 11:41

Goldfsh · 30/10/2025 09:36

Yes, I think you've got a point there @Vroomfondleswaistcoat

I also was pondering like @OnlyFangs that I've done training, I've got an assortment of topics I could lecture about... but it's something more than that with a formal learning environment. Without the teacher figure I think it would turn into chaotic middle aged women knocking back wine. Not my vibe.

See also creative writing groups, which can devolve into the person with the loudest voice being rude about everyone else's offerings.

Goldfsh · 30/10/2025 09:36

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 29/10/2025 16:17

The problem with this is that a lot of people know a lot about things, but not very many have the ability to 'teach' what they know. That's why I took an adult teaching qualification - so I could learn the mechanics of teaching, as opposed to standing up in front of people and 'telling them things'.

Yes, I think you've got a point there @Vroomfondleswaistcoat

I also was pondering like @OnlyFangs that I've done training, I've got an assortment of topics I could lecture about... but it's something more than that with a formal learning environment. Without the teacher figure I think it would turn into chaotic middle aged women knocking back wine. Not my vibe.

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DPotter · 29/10/2025 23:54

HonoriaBulstrode · 29/10/2025 14:05

Haven't read the whole thread yet, but the WEA used to provide what pp wanted - lectures and discussion and opportunities to meet new people. But successive governments, and the wea itself, have turned it into something neither tutors nor students wanted. Course outlines, learning outcomes, session plans and evaluations, end of term reports and evaluations filled in by students and tutors, all now done online. And a VLE which tutors are supposed to spend time uploading things to, but none of the students ever look at.

Students signed up to spend a couple of hours a week learning something, not to spend their own time online filling in forms and evaluations.

More and more requirements loaded on to tutors (who are contracted for each separate class they teach), but no increase in pay.

All these extra requirements mean tutors have less time to keep up with their own subjects.

And since lockdown, many classes are now online, rather than face to face. There few if any face to face WEA classes in my own county this year. Online classes of course are beneficial for people who can't physically attend classses, but many tutors and students highly value the face to face contact.

Many tutors and students have now abandoned the WEA and set up independently, finding a room to hire. But they tend to recruit by word of mouth, rather than advertising, so are not easy to find.

This was the OFSTED era - when even non exam, leisure courses had to demonstrate students improved their economic standing and employability. Totally daft and I have tales to tell.

Fortunately OFSTED are no longer interested with the change in funding so no one has to fill in any aims or objectives.

Needmorelego · 29/10/2025 20:53

Tickingcrocodile · 29/10/2025 20:03

Must be area-dependent then as I have researched this extensively due to my DC's difficulties attending school and there are no providers that offer GCSE courses other than English or Maths post-16. There are level 2 BTEC courses in some colleges but if she wants to do the traditional 8 or 9 GCSEs, just in a delayed time frame, the only option I have found is self-study via distance learning.

GCSEs are just one type of Level 2 qualifications.
Colleges tend to offer the alternatives (btec etc) because they often appeal to those who couldn't cope with the formal very academic GCSEs.
Unfortunately colleges don't have the funding (or probably student numbers) to offer a typical full set of GCSEs.
My daughter is 17. She doesn't have any GCSEs (Mix of autism and Anxiety Based School Refusal).
Our aim is for her to do the English and Maths GCSEs in the next couple of years but I don't expect colleges to be able to offer the ones usually taken in Year 11.
They just can't do it.

Tickingcrocodile · 29/10/2025 20:03

Needmorelego · 29/10/2025 19:35

16-19 year olds can do other GCSEs or equivalent like btec at 6th Form or colleges.
If it all goes horribly wrong in Year 11 then there's 3 more years of education available to do some Level 2 (GCSE etc) subjects. The theory is unless there's extreme circumstances or SEN then no one should get to 19 without having any GCSEs.
That's why the need for GCSEs as night classes really isn't there anymore.
(Edit : if they have a EHCP then education can continue for free up to age 25)

Edited

Must be area-dependent then as I have researched this extensively due to my DC's difficulties attending school and there are no providers that offer GCSE courses other than English or Maths post-16. There are level 2 BTEC courses in some colleges but if she wants to do the traditional 8 or 9 GCSEs, just in a delayed time frame, the only option I have found is self-study via distance learning.

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