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Why do Labour not get it?

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Dacatspjs · 28/10/2025 12:30

It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

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PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 18:38

RaraRachael · 29/10/2025 18:19

We often stayed in the Park Inn by Radisson in Glasgow - lovely city centre hotel of a very good standard.

Sadly it's not available to the likes of us any more IYSWIM

That is a shame. You could try the Double Tree on Cambridge St. Very nice hotel in the city centre.

BeachLife2 · 29/10/2025 18:37

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 17:10

My view is that people should be able to claim asylum in the UK, have that claim assessed in a timely manner, and be allowed to settle if their claim is granted. They should be treated with humanity while that process is taking place.

So, your answer is yes. In that case, why should priority be given to people who are by definition not those most in need of support?

How many of the most vulnerable have thousands of pounds to give to criminal gangs, can leave behind their families, and are physically able to travel thousands of miles?

RaraRachael · 29/10/2025 18:19

We often stayed in the Park Inn by Radisson in Glasgow - lovely city centre hotel of a very good standard.

Sadly it's not available to the likes of us any more IYSWIM

Y0208680333367 · 29/10/2025 18:13

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 18:06

Believe me, I know only too well. I’m German (but now live in the UK).

I could weep when I think of what my beautiful and once so safe country has become.

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I agree. It’s horrendous. So infuriating because none of it was necessary or inevitable. Until.. same with lots of Europe. Apart from Poland. Interestingly.

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 18:06

Y0208680333367 · 29/10/2025 17:34

Believe me, I know only too well. I’m German (but now live in the UK).

I could weep when I think of what my beautiful and once so safe country has become.

Troisoranges · 29/10/2025 17:57

aslkdfjh · 28/10/2025 12:35

The hotels are not ‘cushy’ but currently the public appears to falling for the bullshit that asylum seekers are living it up in 4* hotels with all the trappings.

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The Novotel in Ipswich (which used to house 200 immigrants) is four star. The Best Western Ipswich (housed 150) might be 3 star, but it’s none too shabby, honestly.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/10/2025 17:57

The figures coming from German law enforcement are very unlikely to be the sort of thing that's disclosed here in the UK, @Y0208680333367

As Baroness Casey noted they're simply not collected in anything like an adequate manner, probably because our politicians worry about what they may reveal, so instead they go for whatever might offer plausible deniability

Y0208680333367 · 29/10/2025 17:37

2024 Germany begins to acknowledge the ‘unspeakable’

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 17:27

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 17:19

Yes, the old ‘nothing to see here’.

Yep although no one actually does want barracks nearby. Preferring to insult those who say no, they’re not actually saying yes either.

Just generally on mn that is.

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 17:19

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 17:16

I think people prefer this isn’t discussed.

I agree Germany too faces the same issues and ROI.

Yes, the old ‘nothing to see here’.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 17:16

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 17:12

I think people prefer this isn’t discussed.

I agree Germany too faces the same issues and ROI.

Dacatspjs · 29/10/2025 17:13

RaraRachael · 29/10/2025 16:40

Me too. Sick of it. On the news last night people living in the most appalling squalor because the council won't carry out repairs.
I very much doubt any of the hotels or barracks would be allowed to get into that state.

The reported figure is on average they are spending £144 per person per night on housing migrants in hotels. I can't imagine many in receipt of benefits get that level of state support and what a difference it would make to their lives.

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sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 17:12

Just like in Germany this is going to happen more and more.

news.sky.com/story/haybe-cabdiraxmaan-nur-small-boat-migrant-who-stabbed-man-to-death-in-derby-bank-jailed-13460015

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 17:10

BeachLife2 · 29/10/2025 17:09

So your view is that we should prioritise people who can pay smugglers tens of thousands to travel across continents (through multiple safe countries)?

My view is that people should be able to claim asylum in the UK, have that claim assessed in a timely manner, and be allowed to settle if their claim is granted. They should be treated with humanity while that process is taking place.

BeachLife2 · 29/10/2025 17:09

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 17:06

I disagree, this is the time when compassion is needed the most.
The fact that our immigration system is not working is not the fault of the immigrants, they should not be blamed or punished for others failings.

So your view is that we should prioritise people who can pay smugglers tens of thousands to travel across continents (through multiple safe countries)?

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 17:06

I disagree, this is the time when compassion is needed the most.
The fact that our immigration system is not working is not the fault of the immigrants, they should not be blamed or punished for others failings.

MaturingCheeseball · 29/10/2025 17:02

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 15:23

Rock and a hard place then because without Brexit everyone given European citizenship would have free movement anyway. So we would be unable to stop anyone coming who holds that citizenship.

Italy has been issuing EU passports after a certain time for some years. Therefore someone can then travel freely to Calais, get rid of their documents and present themselves on these shores as having had to flee from [insert country]

The fear pre-Brexit was that Turkey was going to be given EU membership and they would funnel all their undesirables straight to the UK. I think a stronger man than David Cameron might have been able to negotiate a way around this but at the time the EU were playing hardball.

ChessBess · 29/10/2025 17:02

ForestBath · 29/10/2025 16:35

I think the majority of us agree with you. Sick of it. Done. Compassion and tolerance have been pushed to the absolute limit. Our kindness has been exploited and weaponised as weakness. No more. Innocent people are being murdered and raped on an almost daily basis - sacrificed on the alter of luxury liberal elite politics. I don't want bloody farage in either, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that no one else will even talk about the elephant in the room let alone try and sort it out. It's a disgrace.

Another one who feels the same. It’s like watching the harrowing adverts on TV, initially it’s awful but when they are on constantly you do become almost immune? I can’t remember the word or phrase…. But it no longer has the shock impact…. The word is de-sensitised. It’s human nature and I guess a defence mechanism.

It seems like most people are increasingly feeling this way regarding asylum seekers. Some of these souls have been through the mill and it’s awful but when it comes to the crunch they are far more concerned about their own family and friends and the concept charity begins at home. People are allowed to feel hard done by when they are working full time and still having to use food banks. The country is fuc*ed and people are sick to the back teeth of everything!

sunflower1022 · 29/10/2025 16:58

marshmallowmix · 29/10/2025 15:13

People are not falling for the sob stories any longer - the game is well and truly up.

Most people are totally pig sick of being taken advantage of and our safety concerns overlooked...we should be the priority and our safety concerns not accommodating all and sundry from third world countries.

Well said!

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 16:57

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 16:07

Was t it the Polish president who said the reason they had such a low crime rate was the fact they had zero immigration? I’m not surprised the average Pole is far richer. They went elsewhere to work, sent all the money home and have built beautiful houses, maintained their country all the while preventing immigrants from coming in.

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He was more specific. He said that they had taken plenty of refugees, including 2 million from Ukraine, but won't take a single Muslim asylum seeker. "Not even one" was the quote I think. He explained that was why unlike the rest of Europe, Poland hasn't suffered a single Islamist terror attack. And that he doesn't care if people call him racist or whatever. His priority is the Polish people and that's what they voted for.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 16:43

StandFirm · 29/10/2025 16:38

No, France doesn't do that. However the people who are coming over here are very often rejects with failed claims filed in France. When we were in the EU, they wouldn't have had a 'second shot' at asylum. That would have been it. Now that we're out, they think it's worth trying their luck here. As an aside, we've got Brexshit to thank for that. And no, we were never part of Schengen which means we've always had borders. When we were in the EU, asylum seekers never had access to the UK before they gained a proper visa.

No sure what you mean here, we had peak asylum claims pre Brexit. Look at 2002

RaraRachael · 29/10/2025 16:40

Me too. Sick of it. On the news last night people living in the most appalling squalor because the council won't carry out repairs.
I very much doubt any of the hotels or barracks would be allowed to get into that state.

StandFirm · 29/10/2025 16:38

MightyDandelionEsq · 28/10/2025 13:34

Like France do?

No, France doesn't do that. However the people who are coming over here are very often rejects with failed claims filed in France. When we were in the EU, they wouldn't have had a 'second shot' at asylum. That would have been it. Now that we're out, they think it's worth trying their luck here. As an aside, we've got Brexshit to thank for that. And no, we were never part of Schengen which means we've always had borders. When we were in the EU, asylum seekers never had access to the UK before they gained a proper visa.

ForestBath · 29/10/2025 16:35

24karatPalamino · 29/10/2025 16:15

I’ve genuinely stopped caring. I am absolutely sick of this government and the last.

I no longer give two hoots about any asylum seekers, or immigrants. White; brown; male, female, coming from Africa or from the awful country of France. I really have no compassion left for anybody. I don’t actually blame the migrants for coming, I blame our successive governments and the left leaning public for this damn mess.

It’s an absolute piss take when taxes rise for the working population, to pay for people to come into the country and not work, or work in low paid jobs requiring taxpayer funded top-ups. Socialism at its bloody finest. And that’s before you actually start even considering the safety implications, of which there are far too many…yet people still protest that it would be worse to detain until we identify our visitors….because…well….we have to be nice.

I hold my hands up and acquiesce that you can be the morally superior one. I’m going to vote for whoever stops this madness and allows working people to keep their own money to spend on themselves. And who puts the safety of the British public first, even if that makes me the world’s most horrible person.

I think the majority of us agree with you. Sick of it. Done. Compassion and tolerance have been pushed to the absolute limit. Our kindness has been exploited and weaponised as weakness. No more. Innocent people are being murdered and raped on an almost daily basis - sacrificed on the alter of luxury liberal elite politics. I don't want bloody farage in either, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that no one else will even talk about the elephant in the room let alone try and sort it out. It's a disgrace.

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