Why do Labour not get it?

Look, I don’t want to argue and if I have come across as rude then I apologise.

Its just that I feel very strongly about this.

And while I agree that it’s MEN that are the problem (and believe me I know that as my husband’s brother is an abusive piece of shit and he’s all British) I am not comfortable with people advocating for unchecked immigration.

it has caused no ends of harm and misery in my country and I will not be told to keep quiet anymore.

Thanks I will. So far a I can only find info on non Western immigrants and their descendants, not asylum seekers, but I'll keep looking.

I keep saying I’ll bow out and then I get a notification and I come back 🥲

Yes, that’s a whole load of bollocks (sorry, but I’ve had some wine).

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Countries that do release the stats (like the Nordics) show that crime rates are higher for migrants. Broken down by country of origin, men from certain countries commit sexual crimes for example at several times the rate of those without a migrant background. Have a guess which countries? And another guess at why our Government refuse to collect similar stats even though the Casey review recommended it?

Have a look at the Denmark stats if you are interested.

@sunflower1022I’m so pleased you’re posting about Germany. We get a lot of deflection on this and much of it is domestic politics (Brexit etc) when this is happening in a fair few EU countries.

This is my issue with such divisive topics - It's not about winning the argument.
Why can't we just agree to disagree? Why can nobody debate healthily anymore? Why do people stick so rigidly to their beliefs instead of being more open minded.

I don't think I'm trying to 'minimise' anything, if you look back I actually do agree with a lot of what's being said, I am just trying to offer an alternative view. I could also argue the "whataboutery" on your side of the discussion too, as it keeps coming back to a "women's safety" issue, when lets be honest the patriarchy is still very prevalent in societies all over the world (and I am not saying that this is OK, just to be clear).

How do you know?
That all asylum seekers aren't a risk to women? Partly because I've met plenty, and they weren't, partly because we have no evidence to suggest that they are.
How can you tell which are and which aren’t?
By processing their claims asap, though of course you can never be sure, just as you can't tell which men are a risk to women.
How do you propose we ascertain this going forward to keep women and girls safe?
By processing their claims as fast and thoroughly as possible, tightening up our whole immigration system, and getting better at deporting any who commit crime or have their claims refused.
and if you can’t, what then?
What do you mean?

One thing I will say before I bow out is that I think this government is going to have a real problem on its hands if it doesn’t sort out the elephant in the room.

And no, I am not talking about the much maligned Farage, but about ordinary citizens (gammons as the left call them) who are sick to the back teeth of it all.

Because for all the shit that’s been going on in Germany for the past decade there has been very little dissent, probably due to our history.

But I think it’s different over here. And this is by no means meant as a criticism on my part.

How do you know?

How can you tell which are and which aren’t?

How do you propose we ascertain this going forward to keep women and girls safe?

and if you can’t, what then?

Yes agree.

This is exactly what I was referring to earlier…there is no point, we are not going to win this argument while everyone keeps using whataboutery and minimising.

Ok, so if we don't know that they do, why would we treat them any differently than every other group?

I don’t think the government release statistics on that so it’s impossible to say.

Well English is the most spoken language in the world so some come to the UK because they can speak a little English, and not any French for example. I agree some do come for the benefits.

FWIW I walk down the street and get leered at by men of all colours / cultures. When I lived in London just off Brick Lane, I was followed home late at night by a white British man, and rescued by a group of Pakistani men, who then walked me home, made sure I was OK, and checked up on me the next day.

It is not a "one size fits all" situation. It is not a time to place a stereotype on every asylum seeker because you've had a bad experience.

I imagine most of the issues we have talked about on here are cultural issues by men who are not new asylum seekers, and are living here perfectly legally and have been for many decades. You need to decide if you're against asylum seekers or people from different cultures, because IMO there is a big difference.

I don't think that asylum seekers commute crimes at a higher rate than the general public do they?

How many “bad eggs” in a batch is acceptable collateral in the pursuit of “being kind”? Out of 1000 men - “asylum seekers” if you will - would that be 5, 10, 50?

There has been huge trouble in Bournemouth. Groups of men intimidating locals (men and women), carrying weapons, leering at girls… Not to mention chasing hotel staff with knives. In fact I know for a fact that the local courts can’t cope with the volume of cases and are having to ship cases further out.

It really seems as if rather more than a few of these incoming men are criminally-minded. They may be “human beings” but not human beings who should be wandering the streets.

Of course the safety of women should be paramount, I don't disagree. All I am saying is that the majority of asylum seekers are not a risk to women.

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Yes, the woman who bravely stands for the female victims of male violence. Except when it's inconvenient, of course.

I'm sure you're a lovely person. But it's a real problem that so many lovely women have had their compassion manipulated into putting the safety of random men before their own and- more importantly- the safety of the other women and girls in the country. It's called suicidal empathy. But it really time for the rest of us to say- no, actually, our safety is important. And we insist that it is prioritized.

So we risk our own safety and our children’s safety on the back of oh there are a few good eggs on these boats.

No thank you.

Not buying it whatsoever…they came through France and other safe counters so no need to come here they were in a safe country . They come for the lure of benefits housing, food, free nhs, free dental etc and we don’t deport them so they take their chances.

Sick to death as are most people of hearing the sob stories - that ship has sailed.

I care about walking down the street and not being leered at I don’t want that …it is frightening times right now.

Agree fully. Asylum seekers are not all one thing.

Some are. And a large number are not. And we can’t know which ones aren’t until they are here, wandering our streets.

Definitely not what I was saying at all. Of course there is a massive issue here in terms of misogyny and cultural differences - and I agree that any form of sexual harassment is disgraceful. I get that lots of these countries have very misogynistic views and that is a huge issues in terms of integration.

I am literally trying to point out that not everyone coming to the UK on a boat is a misogynistic opportunist, some are innocent people wanting a safe life.

It’s the same old bollocks trotted out every time though, isn’t it? British men also do these things so we should have no problem accepting hundreds more of these types of men on a daily basis.
The UK definitely doesn’t have a culture of finding the sexual harassment and assault of women acceptable, by the way. Unlike the countries many of these men are coming from.