Why do Labour not get it?

@CorneliaCupp yes I have actually as we had to ask them not to take a pxxx in our garden; we have a group living nearby and the are causing no end of mayhem.

What is next they break in to our home as happened to a woman in Canary Wharf a few months back.

Seriously I cannot get my head around this - why are you putting our own way of life and our safety at risk for a group of unvetted, unknown men it beggars belief.....is it a case of Stockholm Syndrome or something.

You keep defending them saying oh it is okay they mean no harm - we do not know that and what I've seen first hand it is the polar opposite they are shoplifting, anti social behaviour and unsavoury to put it mildly.

I won't reply to you any longer as I've seen your posts on this thread to others and it appears you are on a wind up so no point in engaging with you and we will never agree.

I don't believe asylum seekers are being held in luxurious accommodation. Even if the hotels were previously quite decent, they will presumably be well over their previous capacity. I'm sure at least a proportion of people in them are in genuine need and have fled persecution.
What I also think is:

• We are not in a good place either economically or socially at the moment. There is a sense (and a reality) of decline and increasing division.
• The men in these hotels are statistically a much greater risk to public safety than the average man.
• There is absolutely no world in which I would think the types of crime we are seeing are acceptable collateral damage for taking in large numbers of non-citizens, regardless of their backstory.
• People routinely underestimate the differences between cultures and the results of that. They seem to do so no matter how frequent, predictable and obvious these results are. You can't argue with stupid, but the reality is these people are promoting and defending a situation which makes primarily working class people, at the sharp end, less safe and more disenfranchised, and then calling them racists and liars, which is despicable.
• The government have a primary duty towards their own people, and that's all I have to say about that.
• I'm not a Labour supporter at all, but the problem is not primarily of their making, and I do think they're genuinely trying to get to grips with it.

Have you ever met an asylum seeker? Spoken to one? Spent time with them?

@FenceBooksCycle they are lucky they are in a room - shared or otherwise.

No one gives a fig that they have to bunk up…no other country is a soft touch like us.

In France they are given tents in fields and tents in large metal hangers all piled up. So they are on a winner coming here no longer in a tent.

No one is buying the sob stories.

Of course they are a danger take a look at the list of the countries they originate from …☹️.

Hopefully the next govt be it Reform or Conservative as it won’t be Labour deport those already here. That is the mood music now …

No I haven’t misunderstood anything. A barracks full of men raised in a society that frowns upon men sexually harassing women and outlaws sexual assault aren’t going to pose anywhere near as much of a risk (although not zero risk, obviously) than a barracks full of men raised in society where women are second class citizens and abuse, sexual harassment and assault against women are quite accepted by the populace.

@MaturingCheeseball you miss the point. Did you consider that you were being kept in "5 star luxury" when you were sharing 4 to a room with total strangers with no privacy, no personal space or secure place for whatever belongings you had, no access to cooking facilities and barely adequate washing facilities. It's illegal for them to work to earn their living, so either they get kept alive at the taxpayers expense (and the hotel accommodation is basic, not luxurious) until their status can be determined, or they are expected to starve and die. The people who prefer the latter are disgusting. I wasn't asking that they get more or better treatment, just that the evil protesters stop complaining that we as a civilisation are treating fellow humans with humanity rather than killing them.

You misunderstand. Few societies sanction men being free to do whatever they like with women. It doesn’t work like that.

Perhaps Afghanistan under Taliban rule. But even so, Afghan men in the UK who express an opinion are horrified by the regime. Obviously, to express dissent whilst still in their home country puts their life at risk.

There are bad apples in any society. So yes, some refugees will be criminals. The trauma of war and being forced to flee, leaving all semblance of normal life behind, can distort some people’s minds too.

But equally, some white British nationals will also be criminals. One third of British men have a criminal record. 78% of violent crimes are committed by men.

We should offer money to say, Rwanda, to take them.

Particularly when they’ve been raised in societies where men are free to do whatever they like with women…

I’d be equally concerned if they were brown skinned male asylum seekers as young male military personnel. Males are the common denominator of threat to women and girls.

@FenceBooksCycle cry me a river. Plenty of times I’ve slept four to a room.

@FenceBooksCycle cry me a river. Plenty of times I’ve slept four to a room.

The problem is that "the public" is thick as pigshit. The "hotels" the refugees have been staying at are not luxurious, they are in very basic accommodation. A room that was a double back when the hotel was being run as a hotel has 3 or 4 unrelated eefugees in it living a horrible experience. If other soutions would be more expensive then they should stick with using hotels and combat the evil misinformation that is being put about by racists and fascists who want to blame genuine refugees for all the world's ills.

a bit Contentious but our judeo/christian heritage does play a part imo

I don’t agree and I don’t think putting men from other countries first is my priority.
That’s all that’s there to it really. I’ll vote for a party that agrees.

I appreciate that, cheers

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I dont think youve been rude at all, you're just passionate and that's great 👍🏻

Your points are completely valid and I've enjoyed debating this with you without it turning into a "lefty looser, right wing fascist" type argument.. it's rather refreshing.

I also physically cannot dislike someone who loves friends too 🤣

Also, you haven't done something special to earn your spot in the UK, it is literally luck of the draw. Just because you were fortunate enough to be born in a safe country it doesn't make you any more entitled to a safe life. We are all humans at the end of the day, sharing a rock floating through space

Of course it’s luck, but it’s the same in any country. It’s own citizens have rights that don’t extend to the rest of the word!! That’s how it works.

Labour don’t want to publish crime stats as they bear out what we are all saying …I think Afghans top the list of crimes per capita in U.K..

Labour are hiding it …utter shame on them.

These countries I listed earlier where they come from are all third world countries life is cheap and they see public hangings all sorts of stuff we simply can’t comprehend. They live by different rules and very different societies especially around women very very alien to our ways. Like the dog Walker stabbed mutliple times by an afghan just no….tell his wife and family oh let’s open our arms to these poor souls ..,no thanks our cravenness and kindness has destroyed us. It’s a mess. Someone has to do something.

Why do we need anymore

there is a shortage of jobs

we need to train or persuade people here to do the jobs

And as much as we may disagree on this topic, great username @ReginaPhalange1989

(From a fellow Friends lover)

Denmark is such a beautiful country! My parents went there on holiday a few times when I was growing up and I have nothing but fond memories.

And also, people always think it’s ‘just’ women and girls that are in danger.

That’s not the case. There have been so many men and male teenagers killed by asylum seekers in Germany too.

One of the latest cases the 16 year old whose crime was to be at a supermarket at the wrong time.

So by all means complain about the patriarchy (which everyone knows is a problem, wherever in the world you may be) but let’s not ignore the bigger issue here.

In Denmark, the Social Democrats realised that concerns about immigration were attracting people to the far right, so they deliberately decided to restrict immigration to try to stop it happening, while still keeping left wing policies on all the other issues. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.

Have a humanitarian scheme such as the Ukraine one and vet everyone first.

As Australia does. Ik you don’t like their system but you do want the same outcome and have indicated you would be ok with deporting people who arrive at the coast.