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Why do Labour not get it?

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Dacatspjs · 28/10/2025 12:30

It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

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ChocolateCinderToffee · 28/10/2025 14:47

The fact that you disagree with Labour policy doesn’t mean Labour don’t get it. It just means you don’t get Labour. 😂

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:43

Ablondiebutagoody · 28/10/2025 12:53

It's mainly to get them away from people isn't it? So that the locals don't have to worry about the rapey tendencies. Or those that do will be wealthier country folk who are less likely to kick off.

I think they would kick off, in an equally damaging to Labour way. Maybe not the same way, but using the media.

@WhammyammyI wouldn’t cheer yet, it’s not going to be a deterrent

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:41

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:38

When someone arrives in the UK and claims asylum (usually at the port of entry or at the Asylum Screening Unit in Croydon), they first have a screening interview with the Home Office.

During this stage:

  • Their personal details are taken (name, date of birth, nationality, family members, etc.).
  • Biometric data (fingerprints and a digital photo) are taken.
They’re asked how they arrived in the UK and why they’re claiming asylum. -Documents such as passports, ID cards, or travel documents are checked.
  • They’re asked whether they’ve claimed asylum in another country (to check under the Dublin III Regulation or post-Brexit arrangements).
The Home Office runs the person’s information through several databases, including UK police and immigration databases, Interpol and Europol databases.

These checks look for:

  • Criminal history
  • National security risks (e.g., terrorism links)
  • Immigration violations or previous asylum claims elsewhere

After the initial checks, asylum seekers are invited to a substantive interview — a detailed discussion with a Home Office caseworker about their asylum claim.

In this interview, the applicant explains:

  • Why they left their country
  • What risks they face if they return
  • Any evidence supporting their claim (documents, witness statements, etc.)

The caseworker assesses credibility, consistency, and supporting evidence

Ok so if someone is here from Afghanistan the Taliban are not providing any of this.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:41

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:33

No space you say?

But of course not.

You are happy for others to pay for your principles.

I could put up a tent in my garden if you think that is suitable accommodation.

I see you are not answering my question about not scapegoating and dehumanising asylum seeker

Why do you think our country shouldn't house asylum seekers?

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:40

Octavia64 · 28/10/2025 14:36

I have a spare room and I would happily house a woman or child asylum seeker. Less keen on a man but I have considered it.
I did actually get in touch with one of the charities that organise this but I live way way out in the sticks with very little transport and they said most people want to be in a city close to other people who speak their language which honestly I thought was fair enough.

i think housing all asylum seekers in barracks until you’ve worked out who they are/processed their claims is perfectly reasonable, I don’t understand why people are comparing it to prison. It would also help with provision of stuff like English language classes as well as charities and volunteers could go in and run classes and activities fairly easily.

my kids have spent plenty of time in PGL type accommodation and I’ve been hostelling. It’s not great accommodation but it’s fine for temporary situations.

I personally have no problem with using military bases, I've lived on a few myself!
I have a problem with locking them in.

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:38

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 28/10/2025 14:18

What ‘rigorous checks’ out of interest?

When someone arrives in the UK and claims asylum (usually at the port of entry or at the Asylum Screening Unit in Croydon), they first have a screening interview with the Home Office.

During this stage:

  • Their personal details are taken (name, date of birth, nationality, family members, etc.).
  • Biometric data (fingerprints and a digital photo) are taken.
They’re asked how they arrived in the UK and why they’re claiming asylum. -Documents such as passports, ID cards, or travel documents are checked.
  • They’re asked whether they’ve claimed asylum in another country (to check under the Dublin III Regulation or post-Brexit arrangements).
The Home Office runs the person’s information through several databases, including UK police and immigration databases, Interpol and Europol databases.

These checks look for:

  • Criminal history
  • National security risks (e.g., terrorism links)
  • Immigration violations or previous asylum claims elsewhere

After the initial checks, asylum seekers are invited to a substantive interview — a detailed discussion with a Home Office caseworker about their asylum claim.

In this interview, the applicant explains:

  • Why they left their country
  • What risks they face if they return
  • Any evidence supporting their claim (documents, witness statements, etc.)

The caseworker assesses credibility, consistency, and supporting evidence

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:38

HostaCentral · 28/10/2025 13:27

It's interesting that in opposition Labour, both Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper specifically, we're against housing asylum seekers in these types of accomodations.

Of course. And the same pp probably were too.

BadgernTheGarden · 28/10/2025 14:38

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 12:33

I think labour actually "get it" with this. Moving migrants from cushy hotels to basic barracks will be a deterrent. Currently the temptation to cross the channel for free hotels and all that go with them won't be as attractive as old army barracks.
Bravo labour.

Edited

What makes you think army barracks are basic, it will be standard army accommodation (a far cry from what you are envisioning) family homes, single peoples flats, all were very nice accommodation originally, unfortunately a lot have fallen into disrepair and will require renovating before use, more expense.

Octavia64 · 28/10/2025 14:36

I have a spare room and I would happily house a woman or child asylum seeker. Less keen on a man but I have considered it.
I did actually get in touch with one of the charities that organise this but I live way way out in the sticks with very little transport and they said most people want to be in a city close to other people who speak their language which honestly I thought was fair enough.

i think housing all asylum seekers in barracks until you’ve worked out who they are/processed their claims is perfectly reasonable, I don’t understand why people are comparing it to prison. It would also help with provision of stuff like English language classes as well as charities and volunteers could go in and run classes and activities fairly easily.

my kids have spent plenty of time in PGL type accommodation and I’ve been hostelling. It’s not great accommodation but it’s fine for temporary situations.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:33

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:30

Because I dont have the space

Do you think it is right to scapegoat asylum seekers and dehumanise them?

No space you say?

But of course not.

You are happy for others to pay for your principles.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:33

Julen7 · 28/10/2025 14:31

Well let’s hope it’s lesson learnt this time. It will be a long, long time till Labour see power again once this term up.

Who do think will be able to solve the 'small boats' and how?

Julen7 · 28/10/2025 14:31

softstone · 28/10/2025 14:25

I think this is spot on. The endless cycle of Labour getting in after 2 or 3 terms of the Conservatives, and then fucking the economy in record time, has been the norm for the past 6 decades. It’s very boring.

Well let’s hope it’s lesson learnt this time. It will be a long, long time till Labour see power again once this term up.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:30

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:29

Well, why won't you?

Because I dont have the space

Do you think it is right to scapegoat asylum seekers and dehumanise them?

Dweetfidilove · 28/10/2025 14:30

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:25

Is it working? Channel crossings are going up.

What are you on about? Is the PM opening the barracks to welcome more people or to rehouse those currently in hotels?
I'm not sure which conversation you're having 🤔.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:30

Julen7 · 28/10/2025 14:29

No evidence of a single gang being smashed. Boats are getting bigger. More crossings than ever before.

Yes something about arresting small boat sellers so people sourced bigger dinghies instead.

Julen7 · 28/10/2025 14:29

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:25

Is it working? Channel crossings are going up.

No evidence of a single gang being smashed. Boats are getting bigger. More crossings than ever before.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:29

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:26

Oh yes, that's me told again, 'why don't you take them in'

Is it really so bad that I don't like to see asylum seekers being scapegoated and want them to be treated as humans?

Well, why won't you?

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:29

Wildgoat · 28/10/2025 12:51

I actually think this is the the first sound idea they have had. However they need to stop spending and taxing, it’s labour of old. Tax and spend, tax and spend; always the same. No one in Labour should be saying irrelevant of cost, when quite frankly it’s just about public perception in the main.

i just don’t get how it keeps happening, tories stay in power so long everyone gets fed up, labour get in, they fuck the countries economy, do one term, then the tories come back in, start trying to fix the shit show, Labour don’t get back in for another decade, and history repeats itself. Every single time.

i think it’s game over for Labour, and the budget will be the final nail in the coffin, there will be a public outcry, they are already trying to prepare the public for what’s to come with the soft leaks to see reaction, income tax increase, mansion tax etc, and there will be no way back for them, no matter what they do over the next 3 years.

Starmer will throw reeves under the bus, to save his skin, as they don’t have anyone to take over from him, so even though he’s clearly wholly incapable and out of his depth , no one wants the poison chalice other than some real hard core lefties that the public would not accept, and none of them are any more capable.

To be honest, I’m not sure even starmer wants to be pm any more, he’s just waiting to get the fuck out of there and get a lucrative consulting role.

its a shit show of epic proportions, the issue is they fucked the economy so hard and so fast and now don’t know how to fix it, so everything they do makes it worse as they are utterly clueless.

I agree with the rest but I don’t think this is a sound idea either.

juggleit · 28/10/2025 14:28

Iwantmyoldnameback · 28/10/2025 12:39

Sadly that's the narrative being spread. They have miraculously improved in quality since Labour came to power.

But the improvement in hotel standards have come at great expense to the UK treasury which is unsustainable and can have a negative impact on the local community.
There may be an additional expense in outlay to get these barracks up to standard but it would be an investment in the future secure housing for asylum seekers.
I would imagine that these ex military bases would have great outdoor spaces and recreational facilities that would be a vast improvement from a cramped city hotel. Hope Labour get a move on with it very soon.

BadgernTheGarden · 28/10/2025 14:27

Dollymylove · 28/10/2025 14:23

A bed and 3 meals a day for free is a lot more than many in this country get😡

They will still get that in army accommodation.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:26

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:24

Maybe people who passionately care about the issue can take them in?

You are clearly a very caring person who is showing great sympathy with their plight. I'm sure you will be more than happy to accommodate a few?

Oh yes, that's me told again, 'why don't you take them in'

Is it really so bad that I don't like to see asylum seekers being scapegoated and want them to be treated as humans?

softstone · 28/10/2025 14:25

Wildgoat · 28/10/2025 12:51

I actually think this is the the first sound idea they have had. However they need to stop spending and taxing, it’s labour of old. Tax and spend, tax and spend; always the same. No one in Labour should be saying irrelevant of cost, when quite frankly it’s just about public perception in the main.

i just don’t get how it keeps happening, tories stay in power so long everyone gets fed up, labour get in, they fuck the countries economy, do one term, then the tories come back in, start trying to fix the shit show, Labour don’t get back in for another decade, and history repeats itself. Every single time.

i think it’s game over for Labour, and the budget will be the final nail in the coffin, there will be a public outcry, they are already trying to prepare the public for what’s to come with the soft leaks to see reaction, income tax increase, mansion tax etc, and there will be no way back for them, no matter what they do over the next 3 years.

Starmer will throw reeves under the bus, to save his skin, as they don’t have anyone to take over from him, so even though he’s clearly wholly incapable and out of his depth , no one wants the poison chalice other than some real hard core lefties that the public would not accept, and none of them are any more capable.

To be honest, I’m not sure even starmer wants to be pm any more, he’s just waiting to get the fuck out of there and get a lucrative consulting role.

its a shit show of epic proportions, the issue is they fucked the economy so hard and so fast and now don’t know how to fix it, so everything they do makes it worse as they are utterly clueless.

I think this is spot on. The endless cycle of Labour getting in after 2 or 3 terms of the Conservatives, and then fucking the economy in record time, has been the norm for the past 6 decades. It’s very boring.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:25

Dweetfidilove · 28/10/2025 14:23

He did, but until then, we have to house the ones that are already here.

Is it working? Channel crossings are going up.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:24

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:21

He has made a start in co-operation with Bulgaria.

Where would you propose asylum seekers are housed whilst waiting for their claim to be processed?

Maybe people who passionately care about the issue can take them in?

You are clearly a very caring person who is showing great sympathy with their plight. I'm sure you will be more than happy to accommodate a few?

Dweetfidilove · 28/10/2025 14:23

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:14

I thought Starmer had said what he’d do, smash the gangs.

He did, but until then, we have to house the ones that are already here.

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