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Why do Labour not get it?

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Dacatspjs · 28/10/2025 12:30

It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

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EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 15:14

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 15:12

No I don't. Neither does the government, which is why they will be relying on other sources of information to do the best they can to assess that individuals asylum claim.

The checks you listed won’t include them, you can see that?

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 15:13

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 14:53

Standard answer right there 🤣🤣

Do you want to answer the question about the scapegoating and dehumanising of asylum seekers?

Why do you think the UK shouldn't pay for asylum seekers? And who should instead? Or do you think they should live on the streets?

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 15:13

Ablondiebutagoody · 28/10/2025 15:06

I'll have a go.

People from the UK also stab people to death so its fine. The more the merrier.

That would be the usual justification. Are you buying it?

I'm sure someone will genuinely say and mean that soon enough.

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 15:12

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 15:06

Of course not. Do you trust the legal system in Afghanistan under the Taliban. You can stone women again under law.

No I don't. Neither does the government, which is why they will be relying on other sources of information to do the best they can to assess that individuals asylum claim.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 15:06

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 15:04

Well no, we know that they're not wanted in the UK, or by international agencies. The Home Office will also ask for corroborating evidence, interview then to see if their story is consistent and adds up etc.
So I would argue that we know at least as much about them, if not more, than others in society.

Of course not. Do you trust the legal system in Afghanistan under the Taliban. You can stone women again under law.

Ablondiebutagoody · 28/10/2025 15:06

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 15:00

Looks like another stabbing,3 people stabbed, one dead. Afghanistan national tased and arrested on suspicion of murder.
Anyone willing to defend this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o.amp

I'll have a go.

People from the UK also stab people to death so its fine. The more the merrier.

That would be the usual justification. Are you buying it?

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 15:04

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 15:00

I’m not saying trust them I’m saying we do know nothing about many people as the things you listed won’t capture crimes or some identities.

Well no, we know that they're not wanted in the UK, or by international agencies. The Home Office will also ask for corroborating evidence, interview then to see if their story is consistent and adds up etc.
So I would argue that we know at least as much about them, if not more, than others in society.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 15:03

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:51

I don't know.

I know nothing about your tax arrangements.

So why did you say that then? It was very much a statement.

Deflection from my other question?

PandoraSocks · 28/10/2025 15:02

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 15:00

Looks like another stabbing,3 people stabbed, one dead. Afghanistan national tased and arrested on suspicion of murder.
Anyone willing to defend this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o.amp

Why would anyone defend it? What do you mean?

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 15:00

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:56

Absolutely, in the same way that a DBS check doesn't show whether the person has committed crimes abroad or not.
Is it a perfect system? No. But it's not true to say that we know nothing about them. Plus I'm not sure I'd trust the word of the Taliban anyway!

I’m not saying trust them I’m saying we do know nothing about many people as the things you listed won’t capture crimes or some identities.

ScholesPanda · 28/10/2025 15:00

JHound · 28/10/2025 14:58

“But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.”

Will it be worth it? All the whining is about the cost of housing asylum applicants pending assessment.

How will people be happier with more expensive options?

Because they think it sounds more brutal and therefore will deter more from coming. Or at least make them happier that migrants are being brutalised.

Reform's proposals for a network of detention centres are even more expensive. But apparently people like them.

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 15:00

Looks like another stabbing,3 people stabbed, one dead. Afghanistan national tased and arrested on suspicion of murder.
Anyone willing to defend this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o.amp

A blue and white forensics tent stands in the middle of a residential street with cars parked on either side of the road. A police car is next to the tent

Uxbridge triple stabbing leaves one man dead and two injured - BBC News

A 22-year-old man was arrested at the scene and remains in police custody, the Met Police said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o.amp

JHound · 28/10/2025 14:58

“But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.”

Will it be worth it? All the whining is about the cost of housing asylum applicants pending assessment.

How will people be happier with more expensive options?

PandoraSocks · 28/10/2025 14:58

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:26

Oh yes, that's me told again, 'why don't you take them in'

Is it really so bad that I don't like to see asylum seekers being scapegoated and want them to be treated as humans?

IIRC you support the NHS. Presumably you have an A&E unit set up in your living room?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 28/10/2025 14:57

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:54

No she means Labour are fucking up again which is an entirely reasonable observation.

Yup.

TheNuthatch · 28/10/2025 14:57

ChocolateCinderToffee · 28/10/2025 14:47

The fact that you disagree with Labour policy doesn’t mean Labour don’t get it. It just means you don’t get Labour. 😂

I thought Labour were against housing asylum seekers in barracks? They were in opposition.

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:56

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:53

So if that person is not on any databases, which is entirely possible, they could have committed crimes and there’d be no way to know.

Interpol etc are not aware of all crimes in Afghanistan.

Absolutely, in the same way that a DBS check doesn't show whether the person has committed crimes abroad or not.
Is it a perfect system? No. But it's not true to say that we know nothing about them. Plus I'm not sure I'd trust the word of the Taliban anyway!

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:54

ChocolateCinderToffee · 28/10/2025 14:47

The fact that you disagree with Labour policy doesn’t mean Labour don’t get it. It just means you don’t get Labour. 😂

No she means Labour are fucking up again which is an entirely reasonable observation.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:53

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:50

And they wouldn't need to.

So if that person is not on any databases, which is entirely possible, they could have committed crimes and there’d be no way to know.

Interpol etc are not aware of all crimes in Afghanistan.

Whammyammy · 28/10/2025 14:53

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:30

Because I dont have the space

Do you think it is right to scapegoat asylum seekers and dehumanise them?

Standard answer right there 🤣🤣

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:51

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:50

"You are happy for others to pay for your principles"

Are you saying my taxes don't contribute?

Or something else?

I don't know.

I know nothing about your tax arrangements.

Notagain75 · 28/10/2025 14:51

24karatPalamino · 28/10/2025 12:38

I agree. We should be offering the bare minimum. There should be no incentive other than safety, for coming to the UK on a small boat. Getting rid of all the extra comforts is a sensible direction.

There are no comforts in these hotels!
They already get the bare minimum. They are not staying in luxury hotels like people on holiday. Although the hotel owners are making huge profits
It's this type of understanding that has got is where we are.

Neemie · 28/10/2025 14:50

The word ‘hotel’ is associated with fancy meals out, special occasions and luxury holidays. The fact that they aren’t very nice and probably due for renovation is irrelevant. ‘Barracks’ sounds far more utilitarian.

I expect Labour are praying for a winter of bad weather in the Channel and then they can claim responsibility for stopping the boats.

DuncinToffee · 28/10/2025 14:50

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/10/2025 14:33

No space you say?

But of course not.

You are happy for others to pay for your principles.

"You are happy for others to pay for your principles"

Are you saying my taxes don't contribute?

Or something else?

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 14:50

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 14:41

Ok so if someone is here from Afghanistan the Taliban are not providing any of this.

And they wouldn't need to.