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Why do Labour not get it?

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Dacatspjs · 28/10/2025 12:30

It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

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Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 13:45

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 13:36

Wasn’t that the idea behind Rwanda and Labour voted against it. They’re hardly going to now implement similar.

I guess we will wait for Reform to do it then as there is no way Labour will be re-elected while the number of people coming on the small boats continues to rise.

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 13:44

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 13:23

As has been said ad infinitum, they do not have to stay in France, and are free to claim asylum in any country they choose. The vast majority do so in the neighbouring country.

Point still stands though. They are not fleeing for their lives from France to here. Have you been? Its perfectly nice over there. You are being very melodramatic and it doesn't do your arguments any favours.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:38

ChessBess · 29/10/2025 13:32

I don’t really get your stance. I agree the residents near the barracks will oppose it, but that’s no different to the residents living next to the hotels. The vast majority of the population would say no thank you to hundreds of undocumented unknown males roaming about. The difference with the being put up in barracks is that it won’t cost as much so purely on that basis it’s better idea.

I don’t really get your stance either. 300 to 900 men in a town is problematic. Even the generally pro asylum system pp have said no thanks on this thread.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 13:36

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 13:33

Third country processing.
It worked for Australia.
If people know if they arrive uninvited they cannot stay and (all) are swiftly sent to a third country they won't come in the first place.

I read the barracks are 900 beds? That's one day of arrivals on a calm day at sea. So that's one day's arrivals sorted just the other 364 days arrivals to consider now.

Wasn’t that the idea behind Rwanda and Labour voted against it. They’re hardly going to now implement similar.

Julen7 · 29/10/2025 13:36

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 13:33

Third country processing.
It worked for Australia.
If people know if they arrive uninvited they cannot stay and (all) are swiftly sent to a third country they won't come in the first place.

I read the barracks are 900 beds? That's one day of arrivals on a calm day at sea. So that's one day's arrivals sorted just the other 364 days arrivals to consider now.

Yeah just a fraction, not sure where the rest are going.

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 13:33

OctaveoOctober · 29/10/2025 12:35

@jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple quite but if we are having to put them up in hotels and barracks /taking ages to process them ,I'd also suggest we are taking too many in the first place.

So how do we reduce numbers

Third country processing.
It worked for Australia.
If people know if they arrive uninvited they cannot stay and (all) are swiftly sent to a third country they won't come in the first place.

I read the barracks are 900 beds? That's one day of arrivals on a calm day at sea. So that's one day's arrivals sorted just the other 364 days arrivals to consider now.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:32

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:30

And, what has he put in place to start doing that?

Nothing effective by the looks of it. Going by Channel numbers.

ChessBess · 29/10/2025 13:32

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 12:41

They will be, hence the concerns being raised by people close by.

Heck even on mn there isn’t anyone who has said yes I’m ok with the barracks near to me.

No one wants this in their own area, Labour will struggle even more.

Btw checks aren’t always definitive, the recent sad death of the dog walker was after checks.

I don’t really get your stance. I agree the residents near the barracks will oppose it, but that’s no different to the residents living next to the hotels. The vast majority of the population would say no thank you to hundreds of undocumented unknown males roaming about. The difference with the being put up in barracks is that it won’t cost as much so purely on that basis it’s better idea.

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:30

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:26

That’s not what Starmer pledged, it was to smash the gangs. Channel crossings are up.

And, what has he put in place to start doing that?

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:30

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:28

The point is, they are allowed to seek asylum anywhere they want.

If 1% of the 20% of refugees who seek asylum anywhere other than their neighbouring country want to come to the U.K., it really isn’t the problem people seem to think it is.

If you think people are getting on boats to make a treacherous journey across the channel so they can get less than £10 quid a week and stay in a disused hotel and be fed mass produced slop, just for shits and giggles, you are fooling yourself.

No it’s accommodation, healthcare, schooling if needed. Work after processing. I can see why the U.K. is a more attractive option. Elsewhere it’s more likely to be a tent or a camp.

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:28

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 13:19

The point is that they are coming from France so hardly fleeing for their lives. So melodramatic.

The point is, they are allowed to seek asylum anywhere they want.

If 1% of the 20% of refugees who seek asylum anywhere other than their neighbouring country want to come to the U.K., it really isn’t the problem people seem to think it is.

If you think people are getting on boats to make a treacherous journey across the channel so they can get less than £10 quid a week and stay in a disused hotel and be fed mass produced slop, just for shits and giggles, you are fooling yourself.

Julen7 · 29/10/2025 13:28

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 29/10/2025 13:23

Stop the money would be a good start. Acommodate in barracks, fed 3 times a day, with an initial medical,no phones,no money,then deport. You cannot survive to house yourself or have a job in place then you cannot make it in the UK and you have to go. No other country fannies about like we do. Being a nation of do gooders has got us absolutely nowhere.

Sounds like a plan.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:26

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:22

Exactly. They’ve tried using disused barracks before and they had to stop for all sorts of reasons. But this is about optics, not a better solution. The most important thing they’ve done is expedited the turnaround for assessing cases. That’s the real problem and they are doing something about it.

But, it’s unpopular to point out anything good Labour are doing so that part will go largely unnoticed.

That’s not what Starmer pledged, it was to smash the gangs. Channel crossings are up.

RaraRachael · 29/10/2025 13:26

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 29/10/2025 13:23

Stop the money would be a good start. Acommodate in barracks, fed 3 times a day, with an initial medical,no phones,no money,then deport. You cannot survive to house yourself or have a job in place then you cannot make it in the UK and you have to go. No other country fannies about like we do. Being a nation of do gooders has got us absolutely nowhere.

I truly believe we must be one of the most stupidly soft countries in the world.

People have absolutely had enough.

QueenEthelTheMagnificent · 29/10/2025 13:23

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 29/10/2025 12:08

I think, and I am NO Labour supporter that the Barracks thing is excellent. If they are processed there and not allowed into general society until we know who they are then it can only be good. As a safety issue alone its worth every penny. We need to reclaim our streets and stop being a third world trough for all and sundry.

I'm in one of the towns affected and it's already been stated they won't be held there the whole time they will be able to come and go

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 29/10/2025 13:23

Stop the money would be a good start. Acommodate in barracks, fed 3 times a day, with an initial medical,no phones,no money,then deport. You cannot survive to house yourself or have a job in place then you cannot make it in the UK and you have to go. No other country fannies about like we do. Being a nation of do gooders has got us absolutely nowhere.

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 13:23

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/10/2025 11:55

That will have been written by an group that advocates for asylum seekers.

I agree and we are supposed to be welling up that they have to choose between rice or chips each day.

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 13:23

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 13:19

The point is that they are coming from France so hardly fleeing for their lives. So melodramatic.

As has been said ad infinitum, they do not have to stay in France, and are free to claim asylum in any country they choose. The vast majority do so in the neighbouring country.

BoredZelda · 29/10/2025 13:22

aslkdfjh · 28/10/2025 12:35

The hotels are not ‘cushy’ but currently the public appears to falling for the bullshit that asylum seekers are living it up in 4* hotels with all the trappings.

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Exactly. They’ve tried using disused barracks before and they had to stop for all sorts of reasons. But this is about optics, not a better solution. The most important thing they’ve done is expedited the turnaround for assessing cases. That’s the real problem and they are doing something about it.

But, it’s unpopular to point out anything good Labour are doing so that part will go largely unnoticed.

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 13:19

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 12:53

Yep, I do. Maybe use facts to dispute my point rather than suggesting I'm uninformed?

The point is that they are coming from France so hardly fleeing for their lives. So melodramatic.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 13:17

Also if we have no idea of the country of origin where are the planes taking them when they are deported ? I know we have an agreement with France to take some back, are we just relying on that?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 13:13

HostaCentral · 29/10/2025 13:00

Thing is, most of these people will have been documented already in Europe. Don't they now get fingerprinted when they initially come into Europe?? Also many of them have already spent years trying one, or two, three, other countries, all being denied asylum, and eventually end up at the end of line ie: England or increasingly Ireland, as the furthest West they can get. So where is all the paperwork for all of them, I assume since Brexit, we no longer have access to that??

I honesty have no idea. I remember years back it being said that the government no longer had the right to check teeth as a marker of age, so we still have the problem of not knowing the age of these men. Most will claim to be minors where possible which makes it even more complicated.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 13:04

HostaCentral · 29/10/2025 13:00

Thing is, most of these people will have been documented already in Europe. Don't they now get fingerprinted when they initially come into Europe?? Also many of them have already spent years trying one, or two, three, other countries, all being denied asylum, and eventually end up at the end of line ie: England or increasingly Ireland, as the furthest West they can get. So where is all the paperwork for all of them, I assume since Brexit, we no longer have access to that??

It doesn’t much any difference. If it did ROI wouldn’t be facing the same issues.

People pass through EU countries to get here, they’re not on databases.

And those databases don’t stop people claiming in ROI or committing crimes in Germany, France or wherever.

mindkey · 29/10/2025 13:02

The public doesn't want facts - the Gov are right, the public don't want asylum seekers in "luxury" hotels - it's poor optics and unfortunately it's not facts that matter.

HostaCentral · 29/10/2025 13:00

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 29/10/2025 12:48

I don’t think it was ever answered what the ‘robust checks’ are that are done to asylum seekers once they get into the country. A PP talked about it and I’ve heard a government minister mention them but she then could t tell the interviewer what it entailed. If someone is undocumented then what checks can they do?

Thing is, most of these people will have been documented already in Europe. Don't they now get fingerprinted when they initially come into Europe?? Also many of them have already spent years trying one, or two, three, other countries, all being denied asylum, and eventually end up at the end of line ie: England or increasingly Ireland, as the furthest West they can get. So where is all the paperwork for all of them, I assume since Brexit, we no longer have access to that??

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